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David Cameron

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Beware Of You, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. Beware Of You

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    I know this may sound weird from a Socialist but I am developing some strange level of respect for David Cameron at the moment. I guess how he risked his position and the integrity of his party over the Equal Marriage bill (something he has claimed to believe in) makes me believe that his heart is in the right place

    Its just a shame that he comes packaged with a bunch of idiots
     
  2. AwesomGaytheist

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    Good for him. I hate conservatives/Republicans in the US. I'm a former Republican, I agreed with them to some degree on social issues, but then they got really, really hateful and racist and misogynist and homophobic. I didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left me. I can't support a party that is intentionally keeping millions of people out of work just to put one person out of a job (President Obama).
     
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    I still don't trust him, he is what I call a Band Wagon Politician, what ever is a vote pleaser & is popular with the majority of the public, he jumps on the band wagon, also by running with the Gay Marriage issue, he knows it is a Headline Grabber & would take the spot light of the Eccomomy for a while, here is David Camerons record on Gay issues :slight_smile:

    Gay rights

    During the Labour government's repeal of the Section 28 legislation in 2000, which banned local authorities from promoting the acceptability of homosexuality, Cameron accused Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair of being against family values and of pursuing the "promotion of homosexuality in schools".

    In 2003, once Cameron had been elected as Conservative MP for Witney, he continued to support Section 28 and voted against its full repeal via a Conservative amendment which would have maintained Section 28 in schools.

    In 2002, Cameron voted in favor of a bill that would allow unmarried heterosexual couples to adopt children, but which would specifically ban gay couples from adopting.
    In addition, in 2008, he opposed giving lesbians the right to in vitro fertilisation treatment.

    More recently, Cameron has claimed to have changed his position on gay rights. Although he supported it to the end, he has claimed that he is glad Section 28 is gone (it was repealed by the Labour Government in 2003). Cameron voted in favor of civil partnerships for gay men and lesbians in 2004.

    In March 2010, Cameron was interviewed by Gay Times, and was filmed struggling to explain his party's voting record on the issue of gay rights, at one point asking for the interview to be stopped while he gathered his thoughts.

    In his speech at the 2011 Conservative Party Conference, Cameron said he supported same-sex marriage and his government would begin a consultation to legalize it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_David_Cameron
     
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    Its the same for all Parties though, look at the SNP, they get their funding from a bigot called Brian Souter. He actually tried to get Scotland keep Section 28 after England & Wales dumped it.

    I don't know why , I just think Cameron has genuinely changed his beliefs and stances with this. He did come from a very homophobic traditional posh background after all, maybe he just realised what the world is like. My Dad used to be homophobic until he worked with a gay guy then realised there is nothing wrong with it, and said gay guy is one of Dad's best friends.

    Not forgetting Labour were in power when Alan Turing's life was ripped to shreds. They used to be homophobic as well.

    I guess being in Ireland and having cable I get the Northern Ireland feed of BBC and I see the bigotry you get from Paisley and his ilk, I am just greatful that at least part of the UK is moving forward.
     
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    I don't know anything about British politics, can you explain what SNP and Section 28 are?
     
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    SNP = Scottish National Party - Party who wants an independent Scotland and have a referendum on it, not really sure where they stand on the compass.

    Section 28- A bill introduced in the Thatcher era, it forbade "promotion of homosexuality" in schools, in the media, sex education etc. It was repealed about 10 years ago by Blair . It meant that stuff like Homosexuality couldn't be taught in school PSHE lessons (Personal Social and Health Education)
     
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    I remember sex ed here in Michigan...first thing the teacher did was pass out a paper we had to sign.

    "By law the teacher may not talk about abortion or homosexuality. I agree not to ask questions about these subjects and will respect this."
     
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    Minus Abortion and that was pretty much Section 28
     
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    Well, you don't have to like or dislike a person entirely, making all black and white. Cameron has good points, and also some pretty bad points to his career and opinions. It's good that he's in favour of same-sex marriage, but like most politicians who support it, I think he still thinks of heterosexuality as superior. Very few straight people actually think of us as equals.
     
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    he`s a Tory- conservative so I have little respect for him he idolized Thatcher who brought this country to its knees I admit thats more me dad talking .as for section 28 at school the history teacher who was openly gay didnt hide it much well he got into trouble a few times with the authorities because he openly discuses section 28 issues if he was asked about it he never brought the issue up himself .
     
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    Whilst i do respect that he helped bring through the equal marriage bill in England and Wales, it isn't something to do with just him. Clegg and Miliband both support it, so it doesn't really matter which party was in charge, it would've gotten through. Whilst Ed Miliband finds it difficult to be taken seriously, he's the only one of them who spoke out in support of transgender rights over the Lucy Meadows tragedy and for that he has my respect.
     
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    Eh, he just seems like a fair-weather friend really. He knows this will get him votes from people who originally thought that the party were more socially conservative and it makes them look less like the 'nasty party' for five minutes. Arguably, they're getting more votes from the more liberally minded than they are from the dwindling numbers of those who are against same-sex marriage.
     
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    He's just an opportunistic piece of scum, like the vast majority, if not all, politicians.
     
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    I don't think Cameron is too bad. I think he was only elected as the leader of the Conservatives because he's the closest they had to Blair. And as a tentative Blairite (gulp), that's not a bad thing for me! But populism is different today and so the policies are different.

    And then there's Michael Gove and Boris Johnson. Christ.