Should Hillary Drop Out of the Race?

[Gerry]

Should Hillary Clinton drop out of the race for the Democratic nomination?

Hilary's campaign is dying but she still has a chance of covincing voters and the "super delegates" to vote for her. The way i see it is that if Obama is chosen then he will most likely lose to McCain but if Clinton is chosen then I think hilary has a better chance of winning the presidency.

I think she will hang on...even if it is by her fingernails.

[davo-man]

Unless she has no other options, I think she would stay in. What I mean is that I don't think she's not going to give up until Obama wins, and rightly so I think. If I was going for the prime minister's job (or the presidency, in this case) I would keep fighting, unless i knew I couldn't win.

[joeyconnick]

Yes but she should know she cannot win. And more than that, she should know that continuing to attempt to win hurts her party more than stepping aside, and thus helps the Republicans.

[Jeimuzu]

Originally Posted by joeyconnick

Yes but she should know she cannot win. And more than that, she should know that continuing to attempt to win hurts her party more than stepping aside, and thus helps the Republicans.

I agree with that. I don't like the way Hillary is trying to fight this race. Even some of her biggest supporters agree in the American media.

Thing is, Hillary keeps digging up things against Obama that're chipping away at his supporter base, but he's still winning. This just means he'll be all the weaker while going for the presidency, if he does end up winning.

[kramer362]

I don't think Hillary's the worst or anything, but nearly my entire life It's been a Bush or Clinton in the white house. How about having a president who didn't use their father or husband to get in the race?

Plus it is true she's only hurting the democratic party by being so hellbent on tearing down Obama, instead of McCain who one would expect to be her REAL opponent

So yes, I'd prefer she drop out

[sdc91]

As much as I support her, I think she should drop out. The delegate gap widened on Tuesday and she's doing nothing to help unite the democrats. We'd need a miracle for her to win the nomination, and even then she's losing the McCain vs. Clinton polls (although she's doing better than McCain vs. Obama).

[Tim]

No she shouldn't. And what's sad, is if she doesn't become the nominee, I'm voting for the republican, screw Obama >_< lol

Yes, she obviously has no chance as of right now and it's only hurting the Democratic party by dragging this out.

On Basic human to human talking: Never Give Up.
So she should stay

[Nodnarb]

Yes, by staying in this long has divided the party. People on both sides are angry with each other.

Originally Posted by Myzou

No she shouldn't. And what's sad, is if she doesn't become the nominee, I'm voting for the republican, screw Obama >_< lol

The fact that some people are seriously saying that shows what a problem she has created. By staying in a hopeless race, she gets her supporters to dislike the other nominee, and *threaten* to vote GOP in November. Of course, the election is a long time away, and once Hillary supporters start to think intellegently they will realize that Obama in the White House is much better than McCain.


This time last year, it looked like it would take a miracle for a Republican to win in 2008. Now, its a close race. And it wasn't a miracle, just the usually Democratic self-destruction. If we want to end 8 years of (failed) Republican rule, the party needs to be rallied around one person. The best way to do this is to have Hillary throw her support behind Obama and try to patch up the differences.

Originally Posted by Myzou

No she shouldn't. And what's sad, is if she doesn't become the nominee, I'm voting for the republican, screw Obama >_< lol

DON'T DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pwease!

[Grof142007]

Originally Posted by littledinosaurs

DON'T DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pwease!

ditto we dont need another bush!

Originally Posted by Nodnarb

Yes, by staying in this long has divided the party. People on both sides are angry with each other.

The fact that some people are seriously saying that shows what a problem she has created. By staying in a hopeless race, she gets her supporters to dislike the other nominee, and *threaten* to vote GOP in November. Of course, the election is a long time away, and once Hillary supporters start to think intellegently they will realize that Obama in the White House is much better than McCain.


This time last year, it looked like it would take a miracle for a Republican to win in 2008. Now, its a close race. And it wasn't a miracle, just the usually Democratic self-destruction. If we want to end 8 years of (failed) Republican rule, the party needs to be rallied around one person. The best way to do this is to have Hillary throw her support behind Obama and try to patch up the differences.

Very intelligent post! My parents are big Hillary supporters as well and they said the same thing about how if Obama gets the nomination they will switch to McCain. This whole ordeal is getting WAY out of hand and is really hurting the Democratic party. It's sad...

[Jeimuzu]

It's been going on for quite a while, that she's damaging the democratic chance. I honestly think she's creating a massive rift which will only favour McCain once the presidential race comes on.

I honestly think McCain will win it. The animosity - that I personally believe is more Hillary's fault than Obama's - will put a massive dent in the democratic party. If Obama wins, Hillary supporters vote McCain. If Hillary wins, Obama supporters vote McCain.

I can't believe the way this is going. Bush got in and stayed in because there was never any real serious opposition. Now, suddenly, there are two serious opponents and they're cancelling each other out; either one on their own would've won. Instead, they're both going to lose because they're aiming at the wrong target.

I really think the only thing that could save this is if the loser agrees to work as the VP of the winner. It's the only way to make sore losers stay democratic. They *will* regret voting republican, and you can't take back your vote when you realise he's far far worse than either of the democrats.

Originally Posted by Jeimuzu

If Hillary wins, Obama supporters vote McCain.

That certainly wouldn't be the case for me. There's NOTHING that would compel me to vote for McCain.

[Nodnarb]

Originally Posted by IHeartDisney

That certainly wouldn't be the case for me. There's NOTHING that would compel me to vote for McCain.

Not that I can vote, but I would be the same way. I wouldn't be happy, but I would still vote against McCain.

[Miaplacidus]

Hmph. Here goes my hope to get to visit my friends in the USA. McCain will be more of the same.

[joeyconnick]

Originally Posted by Jeimuzu

It's been going on for quite a while, that she's damaging the democratic chance. I honestly think she's creating a massive rift which will only favour McCain once the presidential race comes on.

I honestly think McCain will win it. The animosity - that I personally believe is more Hillary's fault than Obama's - will put a massive dent in the democratic party. If Obama wins, Hillary supporters vote McCain. If Hillary wins, Obama supporters vote McCain.

My sense (not at all backed up by any stats) is that Obama supporters will grudgingly vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. I don't feel the reverse will happen quite as readily.

However, ANY Democrat who votes Republican, ESPECIALLY this particular election cycle, ought to be shot. McCain is a weaselly two-faced war-mongering nutjob who got in bed with the radical religious fundamentalists just to get the nomination and if there is another Republican president for the next round of US Supreme Court Justice appointments, it's going to set the US back another 50 years (Bush's two new Justices have already set the US back a first 50). I mean let's consider the fact that abortion is seriously in danger of being made illegal RIGHT NOW, forget what happens if one of the more liberal Justices can't stay on the bench and is replaced by yet another arch-conservative. And that's not even touching on how the Republicans (who are ostensibly about reigning in government spending and are purportedly prudent when it comes to managing money) have fucked over the US economy.

I'm like, I understand people will be pissed their candidate didn't win but you don't take that and fucking hand the country back over, out of spite, to the people who have spent the last 8 years running it into the ground. That's the most childish thing I've ever heard.

And don't worry--that kind of idiocy is not (sadly) confined to the US. Here in BC in 2001, people were angry at our left-wing government because of a series of scandals that were harped upon by the so-called "liberal" media and I know a lot of union people who voted for the incredibly neo-liberal right-wing party that then formed out new government with 77 out of 79 of the seats (which is just NOT a good split in any kind of democratic setting). And what did said right-wing party do as soon as they got into power? They started trying to annihilate unions in the province and illegally ripped up legally binding contracts the government had with unions--except it wasn't illegal because of course, with their 97.4% majority (which didn't remotely reflect the popular vote), they passed legislation saying it was legal for them to weasel out of these contracts. So then union people started screaming left and right about how horrible this government was and I'm like, "You fucking crybabies... what the FUCK did you expect they were going to do? Maybe if you had used your brain when you were voting, you might have realised that however upset you were by the former government, the people you voted for out of spite were infinitely worse."

The same thing happened federally in Canada, where the Liberals were voted out of power because people were angry over government scandals. I'm like, "Wake UP! Every government has scandals... you don't make your choice based on whether a government has had a scandal or two! You certainly don't vote for people who are diametrically opposed to your worldview just because the other guy got caught with his hand in the cookie jar!"

Can I keep going? Okay, one final point: why is it that when we're talking conservative and liberal, invariably the people who are "conservative" are total arch-conservative very far far right people, whereas people scream and cry over "liberals" who are usually far more centrist than any of the "conservatives?" That is, and I notice this especially in the US, the "left" in the US (i.e. the Democrats) are really very much not left-wing... even calling them "centre-left" is often a stretch. It would be unthinkable, for instance, to appoint an actual high socialist left-wing person the US Supreme Court but many people don't bat an eye when a monstrously conservative person gets appointed. The people who get branded "liberals" are barely worthy of the name. Politics in the US is so incredibly biased towards conservatism and yet everyone talks about it like it's a balanced system. If it were a balanced system, the Democratic candidate for President would be a very pro-abortion atheist who supported gay marriage, gun control, and the heavy taxing of corporations... and that person would have a good shot at winning the Presidency.

In summary, large groups of people are generally incredibly stupid.

Originally Posted by Jeimuzu

I really think the only thing that could save this is if the loser agrees to work as the VP of the winner. It's the only way to make sore losers stay democratic. They *will* regret voting republican, and you can't take back your vote when you realise he's far far worse than either of the democrats.

Obama would take the VP ticket, I'm pretty sure. Hillary never would, is my impression. In a way it's understandable, just because he's a lot younger than her. At this point, though, with all the negativity between the two Democratic candidates, a combo ticket might just be something that pleases no one and thus backfires.

[ok455]

Whoever wins im voting for them Either Obama Or Hillary

I have a feeling John Mcsame is going to win sadly