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What's Your Political View?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by AAASAS, Aug 8, 2013.

  1. AAASAS

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    Bored and wondering where most people stand on societal and economical means of being.

    What is your ideal societal and economical state?

    This doesn't mean you have to choose parties that currently run or have majorities in your government.

    What do you think actually would work or would like to work?

    I am socialist capitalist if that is even possible. I believe people that work hard for their money deserve to do "certain" things with that money freely. I also believe people that are born "less" intelligent, shouldn't be equated as not as valuable as others, because it is something they are born into. We fight for equality of everyone, but when it comes down to it people are still judged by their financial ability. Not saying that only smart people become rich, and stupid people become poor, but it is much harder for a slow minded individual to rank up in the sense that a smart person can. I think a person with average or below average intelligence that somehow made it for themselves is almost more special than a person with above average intelligence. It is much harder for less skilled people to make money, and when they do, you know they worked "extremely" hard for it.

    Sorry to go on a rant,

    So my basic ideal societal and economical view is one that is socialist in the sense that it is for a people, and capitalistic in the sense that certain things are acceptable to do with money. I think the government should regulate many sectors to ensure that prices never inflate, and that the general consumer isn't ripped off because someone with a lot of money monopolized an entire market. Just because you were the "first" to do something doesn't make you superior. The idea of first come first serve is a pathetic one that western society values higher. Just because Microsoft made the computer a domestic thing doesn't mean that someone else wasn't going to do the exact same thing. So why should they take research that was government funded; yes computers, internet it all came from government funding. And profit off it to the core. Why is it so wrong for a government to say you can only have a certain share of a market even if you created it? Why is the west so against controlling markets so that EVERYONE has a chance to compete? And why do people think capitalism actually is positive; I know it creates jobs but it also destroys them by creating unfairly competitive markets. With capitalism once one person gets to the top they become a "dictator" a "authority" on the market they are in. This is almost the opposite of what capitalists think "capitalism" does, so why do people still support it?

    Sorry I am just wondering other peoples views and why they think the way they do. I'd also like to hear why you think socialism isn't all that great either; take in mind I am a light socialist that thinks certain things need to be controlled to benefit the majority. I think all markets should have caps on what one individual or company can own in it or control; this way prices can't inflate because there are no monarchs or monopolies messing with prices.

    People say capitalism brings on healthy competition, and it does, but only when the market is a new one, once it has been established it is not longer healthy competition, and it is just a matter of swatting flies(new entries into the market you control). Once one company has gained control it is all over unless you completely change the game; and most people don't have the funds to research and develop enough to do so.

    I'd like to hear arguments for or against it; and I mean civil debates. I am not going to bash any one thought process, and no one else should either.

    I also hold Canadian values on freedom of speech which is if your opinions are HATEFUL towards another group YOU are not allowed to EXPRESS them on PUBLIC PROPERTY. That is to say the Westboro Baptist church would not exist in Canada and all their members would be in jail for harming people. Freedom of speech is not a freedom when you are harming others with it. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all, and I don't care if that is considered censorship or an infrigement of rights. Saying "God Hates Fags" or "I don't like Black People" is an infrigment of rights, peoples right to live a peaceful and HAPPY LIFE. If your freedom of speech includes taking away other peoples freedoms, than you don't deserve that freedom, and I don't think speech is something that humans are inherently born with and should use to their own accord, it should be regulated if it harms others.
     
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  2. I'm a democrat, but I think that the huge population of the USA has made the current government style not work. It'd be better for us if we had a Parliament-style government like England.
     
  3. gordilocks

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    anarchist [I could quantify my views further but rlly, why bother].
     
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    Fuck politics, a greedy corrupt way to create a view of what the U.S. should look like, and why can't democrats and republicans can along and take same views, mix em both just leave out god in politics and we would a-o.k. but instead we go to war with campaigns and media in order to make one side look better than the other
     
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    I'm a liberal, leaning on the edge of socialism. I will be a registered Democratic party voter when I turn 18, though.
     
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    Its rubbish. Politics just make people angry and argue over things like god and money and I'm tired of it. I avoid all politics and just live my life as best I can.
     
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    Well I have to say I kind of disagree with a few points you've made, although they are valid points and should definitely be considered, I probably just don't think the same as you. For a start I know that people are born with different intellectual abilities, some stronger than others, and of course they should not be treated as less valuable. But I have always felt that as long as a person is free of any disabilities that will prevent them from being able to learn things that we can then they can do anything they want, how smart they were born has no effect on this. It just depends on whether or not someone is willing to learn just because someone may be born smarter doesn't mean they automatically have the right to become a doctor, engineer or a scientist. So people who I have met who aren't able to do this kinds of jobs usually didn't try as hard at school and haven't pushed themselves hard enough to develop the necessary skills, which is completely their fault. So I don't feel like natural ability for anything impacts how good a person can become, if they work hard enough they can do anything (within reason). This of course does not mean they are invaluable they still do important jobs, but most of the time they can be easily replaced so are seen as less valuable and obviously do not earn as much, which to me is completely fair.

    Another point I disagree on is that capitalism in markets is bad, I think it's a wonderful thing. To me if a lot of companies have an equal share in the market they are not going to innovate and try to compete with each other because they know their efforts won't really gain them anything to them all they want is for people to keep buying the same products or services allowing the company to spend as little as possible on research and selling new products. Whereas if we have one major or a few major companies dominating, they are going to keep pushing until they truly have control over the market which will see much more innovation and competitive pricing. I kind of dread to think where we would be without competition sometimes. A great example of this is Google, a company who actively drives the market forward often times causing their competitors playing catch up. For example, Google Chrome if it weren't for this internet browsers would be no where the standard they are today in my opinion.

    I think I should stop now, I could go on for hours on my opinions on things, but I do see some good in what you're saying. For example I also like Canadian values and I think a lot of people could learn from them. I think it's mainly about keeping a balance in society as I don't feel that any one ideology is perfect in every aspect.
     
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    The closest party I can think of that best represents my views from Canada, seeing as you're in Toronto area, would be the Canadian NDP.

    I use a Canadian party so you personally, WooEEE, can have an idea of where I stand politically.
     
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    Humanist anarchist.

    Anarchist in the founding fathers sense of the term - if the government doesn't do something you like, tar and feather them. They would be defined as anarchists in the classic sense of the term. Benjamin Franklin said he was afraid his dream would disappear as people became more complacent, rather than fighting (literally) if something they didn't agree with happened. Those are my heroes and political leaning. I'm a screenwriter. Films and words are my weapon. If you watched 'Anonymous' about Shakespeare, you know how powerful a political tool entertainment can be. If I was in Bradley Manning's position, I would have leaked the information. I believe in America as America was founded, not the America as it is today. A land FOR the people BY the people.

    Humanist - I'm a bisexual adoptee from a poor biological hispanic (?) family from another country into a rich adoptive American white family. I am completely between the lines. I don't view myself as any singular sexuality, race or economic standing, or country. I am an alien and view things as such. I just believe in equality.
     
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    My political views are feminist. Too tired to explain what that means right now.
     
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    I am a moderate Republican.

    I'm more liberal on social issues (aside from abortion), but agree far more with conservatives than liberals on economic policy.
     
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    Radical moderate and a registered Independent.
     
  13. HEREIAM2

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    Nice.....real nice. Gorgeous latino looks combined with white money....bisexual.....and a creative...seems like you've hit jackpot: best of all worlds.....you must be beating gay gays off with a stick. And the right ideas politically too.
     
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    I identify as an anarcho-communist.
     
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    Liberal Democrat. I used to be the most right wing kid, but as time got on, I became less Stereo-typical 'MURICA! to Hippie shouting in the streets; "SHARE THE WEALTH! FREE LOVE! YEAH!"
     
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  18. HEREIAM2

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    lol....prepare for ten years of nauseating hell under Abbott....where we will have to listen to Bible lessons from the PM on "family values" and the rest.
     
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    Even though I don't live in the USA, I would pick Democrats.
    Here in South Africa, I am happy with the way politics works and that this is a democratic country x]
     
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    I'm preparing for a long series of rights revocations. :tantrum: Stupid Abbott, he's more in the pocket of the Catholic Church than Cardinal Pell. :dry: