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Judgement for Trans*

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Viomi, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Viomi

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    So, there's something I want to convey to this community. It's the amount of judgement Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals etc. get compared to the amount of judgement people who are Transgender (Especially before and during transition), genderqueer, gender fluid, etc.

    I mean you see all these feminist parades and boys and girls arguing about which is better, and you see these gay pride parades... But I can honestly say I've never seen or heard of a trans* pride parade.

    An example of this harsher judgement, there was research done on some murders. In a certain time period, 16 gay/lesbian/bisexual/other people were killed. In the same time period, 23 trans* people were killed. 0.3% of America is openly transgender, and more like 3.3% of America is openly gay/lesbian/bisexual/etc... Doing the math, that's at least 10x more murders done on transgender people.

    Here's a short story to help convey my point. For a while, I got introduced to a community group for LGBTQ Teens. It seemed fine at first, and helped me a lot. However, there were these gay men who were very masculine and they took it upon themselves to make a LOT of fun out of me for wanting to be female. They would always make jokes and harass me sexually because they thought it would be funny, considering they're gay.

    So yes, even in the LGBTQ community, there is bullying of Trans*. The suicide rate for Trans* is somewhere around 40%. That's HUGE.

    So I just want to try and get some of you to understand that someone who is Trans* is changing their entire body, how people look at them, and everything. People have a much easier time wrapping their head around "Oh they like guys instead of girls." Than "Oh they'd rather be the other gender and they're going to do WHAT to their penis?!"

    Also with questions. All the questions. I cannot tell you how many times someone will sit with me for an hour while I have to explain to them what transgender is, just for them to exclaim something ignorant like "Oh so you like dick so you want to be a girl so you get more of it."

    I would seriously consider to anyone who reads this to think about what they say to someone who is Trans*, because they get it even a LOT worse than LGBQetc... People forgetting our new name constantly, reminding us of who we used to be, waking up and looking in the mirror and seeing every single thing that is a slap in the face to who we want to be, and then those straight or gay people who don't get that the reason the definition of pansexual specifies transgender in it is because that's one of the very few sexualities that are attracted to transgenders.

    Sorry for the long rant, just something I've been wanting to say for a long time. Discuss.
     
  2. Bullying is a horrible thing & I assure you most of us have experienced it in one way or another. You should never take it personally, at the end of the day its got nothing to do with you or I for a gender or sexuality issue. A person will get bullied for being a redhead & if they weren't a redhead they'd get bullied for something those horrible people could find.

    I don't think it is the gender topic that is specific in the reason why those get taunted, but the fact they are easy target because those bullies certainly DO NOT want a challenge!

    Look at those physically beautiful celebrities & the trouble they get from the paparazzi or audiences around the world - Again its just a bully finding something if anything at all to try and belittle you and get a bite back, maybe to forget about their dull or horrible life for those swift moments of pure hatred.

    Yes I've read & understand completely what you are saying but I do not think trans get a worse or better time than gays or straights etc...Yes statistics say this, but what about the millions of incidents statistics are not recorded or recorded correctly.

    There is a bigger picture here and that is bullying needs to be address internationally as it occurs in all forms!

    I totally appreciate what you've said just putting another twist in the mix.

    *Bullies want to make you feel like you are the only victim, when in fact behind you is millions they hurt*
     
  3. Hexagon

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    I both empathise and disagree, in some ways. There is no doubt that trans people are murdered, attacked and discriminated against more than cis gendered LGBTQ people are. On a more personal level, I went to an LGB'T' youth group for a year, and never even told them I was trans because it was quite obvious they'd react badly. I truly hate the way transpeople are treated, viewed and mocked. But no good will come from refusing to recognise that our cisgendered LGBTQ friends struggle too, or by minimising their struggles by pointing out how much worse we have it.
     
  4. CharlieHK

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    I would have to agree with Hexagon. Yes trans* people have a hard time (I know), and it makes me cringe when I hear the stories of hate crime on the news. But I would like to add on something here, something I have observed about this site over the last few months of me lurking about.

    Just because someone is Gay or Lesbian doesn't mean they understand or are accepting of trans*. But you'd find that anywhere. And at first the threads asking "How Did you know you're Trasgender" were sometimes worded badly, but not purposely meaning to offend, didn't bother me.

    What bothered me was that this was looking like a one way street. Where people were only open minded enough to the point of "Yes, liking the same gender is okay, and natural." And again I don't think this is done on purpose.

    Gays, Lesbians, and Bisexuals do have hardships, and that shouldn't be ignored. And bullying is common (not on this site, this site is actually pretty-darn safe), but I think all people need to remember is that it's a two way street. You can't say in one moment that liking the same gender is fine and in the next put down trans* for wanting to be the gender they were not born into.

    That's hypocritical.

    Because *homophobes do that.

    And that's why there's such a thing as transphobia.
     
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    Its because breaking the gender barriers is a fairly new thing compared to the sexual orientation movements in western modern day society so less progress has been made.

    There's a group with even less recognition than trans*, and that's intersex, people naturally born with a mixture of sexual traits, in most places their still forced down the trans* path, and pestered to choose m or f, rather than being rightfully recognized as the unique combination that they was born with

    Although its an improvement on how it used to be, before people born that way wasn't even given the right to choose m or f, they was surgically altered at birth.

    But yeah, sadly all the different discrimination issues have their own level and speed of progression.

    What I concluded is that the best way to positively affect all worldly issues, is to focus on the root of the issue and work on cultivating compassion, understanding and mindfulness throughout the world, those qualities will naturally then cause a chain event that should collectively improve the situation for all issues in the world.
     
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    One thing I've learned by coming out at Trans* is that GLBT is a frail alliance at best. We're basically just a group of misfits who banded together to gain equality from a much larger oppression. And it is frustrating when your supposed allies dismiss, openly attack or side against you on issues like the bathroom, gender equality, and dating. Being called a "preference" because I'm pre-op or being told "I won't date a transsexual woman because I just can't get over the fact that you used to be a guy" even after we are post-op quite frankly pisses me off no matter who it comes from. It's easy to find a ton of reasons to say "you know what? Screw this supposed GLB alliance." and walk away. For us to be able to have GLBT co-exist though we need to understand that not everyone who is GLB or Cisgender is being willingly ignorant or mean on purpose.

    I feel the main reason why there's so much confusion and misinformation is because A.) We're the new kids on the block B.) What information there is about us mostly comes from non-trans* people just speculating C.) Society has been indoctrinating people up to this point with the mindset that gender and the human body is ridged and binary and D.) The porn industry uses offensive terms and shows us in a horrible light to the rest of the world.

    And I totally get you on the educating part. I've learned that some people will never grasp the concept of Gender Dysphoria or that my genetics and genitals are not more powerful than my brain. If it gets too tiring point the person towards some resources and tell them to do some reading on their own. If an ally wishes to act like an unfeeling jerk and dismiss or belittle you then ignore their label and treat them as you would any other tool in the world. It's ok to be frustrated and let out your anger at how unfair everything is; but when that venting is done we need to pick ourselves up, dust off, and continue to keep a positive mindset that enough people can change to understand or just coexist with us. In the end we're all humans who can fall prey of becoming homophobic, cisphobic, transphobic or racist if we feed into the negativity against us long enough.

    We have remember that an injustice is an injustice no matter how small or big it seems to someone else. To a lot of people here gay marriage is a very big deal. If I wanted to I could technically never change my gender marker, get all of my surgeries done, marry another woman, and be seen as a straight couple by the government. I could write off giving a damn about other people being able to marry because I have an exploitable loophole. And I'm sure that Bi and Pansexual people could also easily do the same. But I choose to fight for gay marriage; not because it directly impacts me as much as it does other people, but because it's what I feel is right for the GLBT community. Bigots are not feuding over who they dislike more or look at us with varying degrees of hate. They are a well organized group who wants to see us all crash and burn. So rather than comparing who has it worse or trying to shame each other we need to learn to co-exist as peacefully as possible. For the allies who wish to quarrel, belittle, or/and only care about their problems simply write them off and look for others who will help. Because if we divide then we're nothing more than an easier target to a greater threat.