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Pam Stenzel-The Abstinence Asshat

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  1. AwesomGaytheist

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    In one of my classes, we have to do a "research exercise" and I did mine on the effectiveness of comprehensive sex education vs abstinence-only sex education. So for my research, I sat in on a class about human sexuality for a day, the day they talked about contraception and protection. After that, I went to YouTube and found the full video of a speaker named Pam Stenzel who for the past 15 years has traveled all over the world scaring teenagers into practicing abstinence for a fee of somewhere between $4,000 and $6,000 a pop.

    This woman is a wannabe stand-up comic who made a few good points, but other than that had blatantly wrong and at times Christianized information. Here's a few of her biggest hits:

    "Give me 20 minutes and a microphone and I will single out all the girls that will struggle with promiscuity for the rest of their lives."

    "Abortion is painful. I've counseled women 15, 20, 30 years after an abortion-still hurting. That is not like going to the dentist and getting your tooth pulled."

    "I was conceived in rape, and that's why abortion should be illegal with no exceptions." (Stenzel was also the keynote speaker at the Minnesotans for Life annual conference in 2013)

    "68% of teenagers today have HPV. If you get it, you'll get genital warts and you'll have them for the rest of your life!" (According to the CDC, most cases of HPV are taken care of by your immune system.)

    "Boys, can you see this? You've met the girl you want to marry, she's the one. Done with all that messing around I did before, but she's the one. You get down on one knee, pull out that ring and say, 'I've got genital warts. You'll probably get it too and end up having a radical hysterectomy and getting cervical cancer, but will you marry me?"

    "There is nobody who has ever had sex outside the context of a marriage between one man and one woman who has not paid a steep price. Our job tonight is to determine if that price is worth paying."

    "Infertility has risen 500% over the last 10 years, mainly caused by Pelvic Inflammatory Disease, which happens when chlamydia isn't treated, because it has absolutely no symptoms."

    "Because she's on birth control, this girl is now ten times more likely to get an STD. Because of that pill or shot, she could end up sterile or dead. Thanks mom, glad you cared."

    "The average 30-year-old male has had 27.2 different sexual partners." (The real statistics: the average male aged 30-34 has had 6.4 partners and the average 30-34 year old female has had 3.8 partners)

    "In all 50 states, we are requiring that every child born in this nation have the names of both parents on the birth certificate." (Wrong, several states have laws that say that if a woman doesn't want the father's name on the birth certificate, they don't have to put it there."

    "You are going to have to tell every one of your partners about every single sexual partner YOU'VE EVER HAD!" (I'm pretty sure with most couples it's "Don't ask, don't tell.")

    "Condoms will not protect you from STD's. That only protects you from HIV. I could have sex a million times with my husband who's only been with me, never once use a condom and be completely safe. I could have sex with some guy I meet at the hotel tonight, use a condom and be infected for the rest of my life."

    That was an hour of my life I'll never get back, but I was amazed that people actually believe this shit. If I had a kid and they showed this video in school, I'd be one pissed off parent in that principal's office in a heartbeat.
     
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    Such BS. My brain hurts.
     
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    The first high school I went to made the upper classes go through similar abstinence "education" classes. It was absolutely ridiculous, but my sister had some hilariously choice rebuttals for their demonstrations.

    I hope that her stat about number of partners is wrong, otherwise I've got a lot of catching up to do.
     
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    Can you share a few?
     
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    Why is there so much stupidity in the world? There has to be a limit!
     
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    Idiocy...idiocy...
     
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    One demonstration was they took the hairyest guy in the room and put a strip of duct tape on his arm and ripped it off, then repeated it several times. The thinking was to show how the more times you have sex the less sensational it becomes. When the speaker asked, "and what does this exercise show?" my sister responded with, "It hurts like hell the first time but quickly gets better".

    Another time they used a rose to represent "Kevin" and pulled a petal off for each sexual encounter; when only the stem was left the speaker asked, "Now what does Kevin have to offer his wife on their wedding night?" My sister's brilliant response, "The core of himself because the only thing he supposedly 'lost' was superficial anyway".
     
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    Oh my god... they made us watch her video "sex has a price tag" in my old religion class. My father told me to bring some change.
     
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    Sex Ed eighth grade, Pam Stenzel lecture. I'll never forget how angry i was watching that video.

    Bullship.
     
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    Me oh my. That's really something.

    My mom wanted me to get the Gardisil injection after the doctor gave a spiel about giving girls cervical cancer. I declined and asked my mother to respect my right to choose what I want for my body. She did but when she asked why, I couldn't tell her "I'm gay and I'll never have unprotected sex with someone I haven't known for years and years."

    It's really terrible when people use cunning word choice and even misinformation to scare young people into abstinence. All you need to know is, there's STDs out there and you can get pregnant. Always use a condom. That's it.
     
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    It's hard to believe this is even legal, in the public school system. One of the many ugly legacies of Bush and Reagan.
     
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    I wish I'd been in that class to watch that!
     
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    Your sister is brilliant!
     
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    May I respectfully say...I love your sister. :grin:
     
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    Here's another one of her "Greatest Hits" I forgot.

    "Males produce a neurotransmitter called Messopressin (sic)

    (It's called Vassopressin, and it's a hormone that regulates the body's retention of water. Research shows it may have something to do with sex, but its main function is in the kidneys. A neurotransmitter emits signals from a neuron to a target cell.)

    "At orgasm, your brain produces this Messopressin (sic) and it creates an imprint of whatever is in front of you. You become bonded to what's in front of you. Now, if you reserve that experience, the only time that happens is in front of your wife, you'll be amazed at what the sight of her does to you.

    "Now the problem with that is that when this has been used over and over and over again with pornography and images and other partners, it loses its ability to chemically bond. We have a young man who is bonded to his computer and not his wife."

    (True only in cases of addiction. Does happen, but it takes an addiction.)

    "So you can say, 'What's so bad about pornography and masturbation? I can do that now and when I get married, it will all go away.' There is not one shred of research that shows that."

    (Again, only in cases of addiction. I have a boyfriend who I live with and I love him to death. He's so awesome and we have a great sex life, for the most part. I had one other partner before him, and yes, we both have and do indulge in adult entertainment occasionally. This may be TMI, but I love watching porn together with him. That's always fun, and I'm sure there are millions of married couples, gay and straight, all over the world who do the same. And they're still together.)