E-Cigs - It's time to fight people's ignorance.

I don't mind sigarettes of any kind as long as they're not smoked in public (apart from designated smoker areas). I do not wish to be poisoned by someone elses (bad) habits.

If someone thinks smoking in public is ok, think about this: How would you feel if someone slipped some unknown chemicals into your drink or food? Smoking is the same, the only difference with the other ways of poisoning is that it's by air instead of food.

 

E-cigs seem like a great thing to me. I wasn't aware of any of the myths you posted, though. In response to aquilo, am I correct in assuming that e-cigs don't have those effects?

 

E-cigs normally only contain (relatively harmless) propylene-glycol, glycerin, nicotin and some aroma's. Those chemicals aren't burned like in normal sigarettes but only vaporised. This is a lot better than cigarettes because the burning reaction in cigarettes creates a lot of dangerous and sometimes carcinogenous chemicals even when innocent chemicals like sugar and methol are burned.

Still, e-cigs 'polute' the air and I don't think it's polite to smoke it in public, when it's chemicals are inhaled by other people. It's a lot better than the dangerous chemicals real sigarettes produce, but still impolite.

 

Nothing wrong with nicotine. That's not the problem with cigs. The problem is all the other stuff in them...

Being a sufferer of asthma, I honestly would prefer to not be around people smoking anything. Including e-cigs. If it produces a smell, it's throwing stuff into the air, and I already breath in enough shit just from going outside (I use air purifiers inside). I don't need to expose myself to more. So yeah. No public smoking, please. :3

 

E-cigs may not contain the really dangerous stuff real cigarettes produce, but it still vaporises chemicals into the air, which can irritate sensitive tissues.

Tobacco is a major risk for lung cancer. Air polution is a major risk factor too, but that doesn't mean smoking (normal) cigarettes isn't dangerous for your health.

Agreed. (But real cigarettes also produce other stuff than nicotin, which are dangerous, so this is only an argument to ban real cigarettes and not e-cigs)

Passive smoking from e-cigs isn't that bad as far as we know. Passive smoking from real cigarettes remains bad for your health, from the poisonous chemicals smoking creates.

I'm agreeing with you on this point too. Still I'd like e-cigs to be banned in public places other than smoker-designated areas. I want my air clean please.

 

Smoke from cigarettes= gasses, liquids and solids suspended in air.
Vapor from e-cigs= gasses and liquids suspended in air.

The chemicals may be different and the physical form they take may be different, but you're still releasing those into the air everyone else breathes. It may be a lot less harmful than smoking real cigs, but you're still putting chemicals into the air without the explicit permission of other people who breathe that air.

The same principle would apply to someone who would spray deodorant near me. It's impolite. If you wish to smoke anything, please do it somewhere where no-one else has to inhale it.

Most flavours and chemicals are approved for digestion, in food. Not to be applied to eyes and other tissues. Flavours may be ok for one person, but not everyone likes to inhale those.

 

Laws concerning allowed additives for sigarettes are not scientifically sound at the moment. Additives are tested for foods, not for inhalation or contact with the eyes and other sensitive tissues. This is a problem indeed.

There's a difference between pure water vapor and vapor containing nicotin and other substances.

Big advantage indeed over real cigarettes. Still you have to take into account that some people are anti-social and some people can really be irritated (medically) by some substances.

My apologies if I offended you, if you read my posts again you can see that I agree with you on quite a few points. (EDIT): And I think that e-cigs are a wonderful substitute for real cigs.

Yes, I mentioned that it's the other stuff in real cigarette smoke which is really dangerous.

EDIT: didn't see this before making post:

The chemicals in vapor don't disappears as you'd need a chemical reaction for that. It gets dispersed quicker, but the stuff still remains in the air and will come into contact with eyes and noses from other people. The 'not lingering' part is another good advantage for e-cigs yes, as the vapor will disperse quicker, but this doesn't mean that the chemicals just dissapear. (please note that I'm using chemicals as a scientific term, not as something you should always be afraid from.. oxygen, water and sugar can be classified as chemicals too after all)

 

E-cigs are wonderful! I was able to quit smoking by using an e-cig. It helped me step down my smoking. I haven't smoked in over two years; not even an e-cig.

 

For e-cigs anyone who exhales too quickly; doesn't inhale deeply enough (to give the vapor the time, speed and lung surface to condense and be absorbed); uses the e-cigs in an enclosed space and true anti-social people who use them to annoy. And anyone who smokes in a public place near people with a normal cigarette.

In a perfect world no-one would be allowed to poison our air, factories, cars and smokers alike. But at least there are laws to stop the worst examples, so a ban on public smoking would be a good idea in my opinion. (Even if the actual health risks are low in case of e-cigs)

 

Nicotine is still addictive and the notion that vaping is "Safe" as in becoming addicted to something is "Safe" still does not sit well in my mind.

I used to smoke, was addicted to a few things and I quit. It was some of the worst most agonizing things that I ever had to go though and I certainly understand why people don't want to quit and how easy it is to get addicted but that doesn't mean I condone the activity.

Improper use of batteries in e-cigs can still be a major problem. If your rearing for your fix and you just toss some random LiCO's or primary cells in there and they malfunction/reverse charge they can cause some pretty significant injury. You can't expect in a mass market for everyone to understand battery composition, function and safety when people get addicted.

The "Vape trail" can be quite annoying as well. I had a bunch of people walking around vaping though crowds a few weeks ago and it was a bit irritating when it was just blown into your face.

My great-grandfather didn't die of black lung, cancer, heart conditions (All which he had to some degree); He died of stress on his heart from smoking. Yes this may be more controllable, but the addiction and the lack of regulation makes this just not sit well in my mind.

I would never say outright ban it (This is America, or at least where I am; you should have that choice) however I'm not going to promote it, that's up to individuals.

IF you would happen to have questions on lithium based cells, safety and regulations I'd gladly tell you that (For safety) but I'm not going to vape. I just can't; there are things that each person are comfortable with and I'm not going to define that for every person.

 

By the way, not all e-liquids are propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin is very common as well and many brands are a mixture of both. Not that it matters.

I have an e-cigarette. I used to use it as an alternative to 'analog' cigarettes (I like that term) and I used liquids with a very high nicotine content, 1.8%. Now I'm trying to lower the amount and eventually quit altogether. It's fun and nicotine is rather relaxing in moderation, but in the end it's a waste of money just like tobacco.

I think it's better than tobacco in almost every way except ease of use. You can just light a cigarette but with e-cigs you need to fill your tanks, replace your atomizers/cartomizers and charge the battery. It's not much fun vaping when your carto breaks (in other words start producing an unpleasant flavor) and you don't have other ones with you.

 

I don't like E-cigs. I don't like them because they don't smell or taste like tobacco. I just like smoking tobacco. I have to have the "real thing" as it were. If I want to quit, I'll find a way to quit, but chances are it won't be with an E-cig. What I would need to do is break the habit. Smoking something else might help me quit smoking cigarettes, but that would probably just end up being my next vice.

 

I think it's a better idea then smoking actual cigs. The only problem I have is the inconsistency in labeling (pretty minor issue). What a percentage of one vial is may not be the same as another even though they're marked as being the same.

As long as the people are being polite and aiming their exhaust smoke AWAY from my face, I don't have any issues.

My dad has smoked at least a pack a day since the day I was born. I love the smell of tobacco and the smell of the stale smoke that lingers on clothes after a cig. I just love it. It reminds me of him and my childhood.

Second hand smoke maybe 1 time a month isn't going to kill anyone. I rarely walk by people smoking anymore. My friends ask to be polite, but I just stand up wind and the problem's solved.

I find pot smoke much more offensive then tobacco smoke, since it STINKS and is accrid and bitter.

There is one thing you can't deny though, and that is that both nicotine and caffeine are POISONS used by the plant to kill insects. Both aren't natural in brain chemistry and both are very addictive. It's best not to use either. I don't drink caffeine if I can help it. I buy decaffeinated beverages.