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PFLAG Response to Love Won Out in Florida

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  1. beckyg

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    I wanted to share this with you guys. This is what PFLAG does in response to Love Won Out conferences. I was able to participate when Love Won Out came to Portland, Oregon. My own uncle called wanting me to attend this with him and I gave him a flat out "no" that my son was fine the way he is.



    [Note: There's an action item at the bottom of this email; please
    take a moment to respond to the Letter to the Editor planted by "Love
    Won Out" organizers in the Orlando Sentinel yesterday.]

    Friends,

    Here's the YouTube posting of a video of the PFLAG protest of Focus
    on the Family's 50th "Love Won Out" conference at First Presbyterian
    Church of Orlando on June 6, 2008. The conference was timed to
    coincide with Gay Days, an annual pilgrimage of at least 100,000
    people to Walt Disney World that is widely considered to have a
    bigger impact on the Central Florida economy than any other single
    event.

    This video was created by Vicki Nantz and Mary Meeks, the
    documentarians who created "Accessory to Murder: Our Culture's
    Complicity in the Death of Ryan
    Skipper" (www.ryanskipperdocumentary.com). Ryan Skipper's
    stepfather, Lynn Mulder, is one of the people interviewed here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzg2b-jRGNs

    At the rally were about 30 PFLAGers from AL, FL, GA and SC, plus
    PFLAG National Executive Director Jody Huckaby, Communications
    Director Steve Ralls and Senior Field & Policy Coordinator Jamie
    Curtis -- all of whom were in Orlando for the PFLAG Gulf Regional
    Conference held at Walt Disney World that weekend. We were joined by
    a woman from the local LGBT community who is interviewed in this
    video and says she was a victim of "ex-gay" therapy.

    Due to the fact that First Presbyterian's parking is across the
    street from the church campus, PFLAGers had an opportunity to speak
    directly with LWO participants, including staff of both First
    Presbyterian and Exodus International (an "ex-gay" organization).
    Perhaps the single event that had the greatest impact on rally
    participants was seeing a youth being walked into the church by his
    parents while tears streamed down his face.

    Next stops for "Love Won Out" are Anchorage (AK) on Sept. 13th, and
    Colorado Springs (CO) on Oct. 25th. (www.lovewonout.com) For more
    information about "ex-gay" therapy, visit the PFLAG website: http://
    community.pflag.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?pid=503&srcid=652

    Prior to LWO Orlando, organizers posted six billboards around Orlando
    with the headline "I Questioned Homosexuality". A similar billboard
    had appeared prior to the LWO in suburban Atlanta in 2006 and was
    posted in the historically African-American Sweet Auburn neighborhood
    (home of Ebenezer Baptist Church and the MLK Center for Nonviolent
    Social Change) featuring a smiling middle-aged African-American man,
    even though conference attendees are generally white and that LWO was
    held in a predominantly white suburban megachurch.

    The Orlando billboards prompted the following story in the Orlando
    Sentinel:

    Gay activists to protest Orlando event, notion that homosexuality is
    'curable'
    orlandosentinel.com/community/news/winterpark/orl-
    exgays0608jun06,0,908656.story

    Jeff Kunerth
    Sentinel Staff Writer
    June 6, 2008

    Gay activists and clergy are planning a silent protest Saturday
    morning outside a conference of ex-gays who contend homosexuality can
    be cured by religious counseling.

    The conference, called "Love Won Out" and sponsored by the
    conservative Colorado-based Christian organization Focus on the
    Family, has sparked controversy and outrage with several billboards
    in Orlando and other cities that host the traveling event. The
    billboards declare: "I Questioned Homosexuality and discovered love
    won out." The group's message is that change is possible.

    "For gays, this is the same as saying you don't have to be black, you
    don't have to be Jewish," said Wayne Besen, executive director of
    TruthWinsOut.org, a Brooklyn-based gay advocacy group. "They
    represent us as broken and incomplete people."

    Protesters, organized by Parents, Families & Friends of Lesbians and
    Gays, will meet outside First Presbyterian Church in Orlando, where
    organizers say the conference is expected to draw about 500
    participants. The conference coincides with Gay Days, which annually
    attracts thousands of gays to Orlando and Disney World.

    Earlier in the week, leaders of Orlando's gay community denounced the
    conference and the billboards as part of the larger agenda by
    Christian groups to deny gays rights -- including same-sex marriage
    -- and portray gays and lesbians as deviant and abnormal.

    Before Orlando, Love Won Out had erected the controversial billboards
    in eight cities. In some cities, the billboards have been vandalized.

    The ex-gays conference is the setting for the latest battleground
    between conservative Christian ministries and gay activists over the
    unsolved question of what determines a person's sexual orientation.
    The ministries argue that same-sex attraction results from specific
    events in a person's life -- such as sexual abuse, personal trauma
    and dysfunctional families -- that can be corrected with Christian-
    based counseling.

    "Same-sex attraction is the result of a number of influential
    factors, but, no, we don't believe people are born gay," said Melissa
    Fryrear, director of gender issues for Focus on the Family. "We
    believe homosexuals can be converted and same-sex attractions can
    change."

    Research by the American Psychological Association and other mental-
    health organizations disputes that view of homosexuality, said
    Kathryn Norsworthy, a licensed psychologist in Winter Park.

    "Homosexuality is not a deviant behavior or abnormal. There is no
    need for a cure," Norsworthy said.

    Jill Bley, a psychologist with the American Psychological
    Association, said there is no evidence that therapy can change a
    person's sexuality -- only that some people can repress their sexual
    desires.

    "They cannot change because, we believe, it is a chemical, biological
    thing that happens in very early stages of development," said Bley,
    whose practice is in Cincinnati.

    Love Won Out points to a recent study as proof that change in sexual
    orientation is possible. Researchers followed a group of gays and
    lesbians who had been referred for "conversion therapy" by Exodus
    International, an Orlando-based ministry for ex-gays. The study found
    that 15 of the 98 gays and lesbians had become heterosexual.

    But Besen says the therapy is a false hope that Love Won Out sells to
    unhappy homosexuals, their families and friends. Scores of ex-gays
    who marry believing they have turned straight end up in divorce court
    after discovering they hadn't changed after all, Besen contends.

    "They show you the marriage licenses," he said. "They don't show you
    the divorce papers."

    Jeff Kunerth can be reached at 407-420-5392 or
    [email protected].

    The following Letter to the Editor appeared the next day in the
    Sunday edition of the Orlando Sentinel and was written by a member of
    First Presbyterian. To submit a letter in response, send it to
    [email protected] and/or you can post a comment to the
    online version of the letter here:
    http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/T4U2T56BTKLIPCFSA

    Saving Us From Ourselves
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/letters/orl-
    le08_108jun08,0,602672.story

    Upon reading the article about gay activists planning a protest to
    the "Love Wins Out" conference happening in our city, I felt sorry
    for those 500 people who have nothing better to do but create hate
    and anger outside a downtown church that 365 days a year truly does
    promote the love and healing of a mighty God.

    Focus on the Family, the organization sponsoring the event, has for
    years offered loving support and counseling as a way to flee from the
    gay lifestyle. God created and loves us all and calls us to be
    obedient to His will, but He did give us a free will of our own.

    The lifestyle choices we surrender to are in fact choices within our
    free will, whether it be homosexuality, self-righteousness,
    alcoholism, gambling, lying, and the list goes on. All of us have
    been born with strong tendencies toward right or wrong. It is our
    relationship with our mighty and loving God, who, by the way, created
    us, that can save us from ourselves.

    NANCY CHAPIN
    Orlando

    Here's a comment on that letter, posted online by a rally participant:

    I'm a little surprised you characterized the rally this way. The
    protesters were from PFLAG National and PFLAG Orlando (Parents and
    Friends of Gays and Lesbians) and they were polite, offered donuts
    and juice to attendees and had very interesting and calm dialog with
    the Pastor of the church. He was charming in fact.

    The result of the conversation I had lead me to understand where we
    have common ground.

    Pastor's Position:

    -We love our children.
    -We are doing what we think is best for our children.
    -We are helping the INDIVIDUAL to change.
    -We want them to obey God.
    -The reward is acceptance for our children in the Christian community.

    My Position:

    -We love our children.
    -We are doing what we think is best for our children.
    -We want our children to be true to themselves.
    -We are helping the COMMUNITY to change.
    -The reward is acceptance for our children in the community.

    It is difficult to be on opposite sides of an issue when the intent
    is the same. We both want what is best for our children.

    --
    Lance Helms
    PFLAG Gulf Regional Director
    Atlanta
    www.pflag.org

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    What I've always found funny is that religion accepts that science is based on logical understanding of the world, and still rejects its findings if they don't agree with them.

    When every psychological agency worth anything in the US disagrees, I don't quite get why they're still convinced we're diseased, and we all want to be cured really.

    I don't. I don't want to have my true nature suppressed. Girls don't do anything for me. I don't have a dormant straightness that would be exposed through aversion therapy. I'd be more likely to be put off relationships altogether, giving me no hope for love in the world whatsoever.

    Love is winning out. Who I love doesn't stop it being love.
     
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    Wow. I never realized people cared about people like us so much. I guess I never would have expected parents to care.
     
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    When I got to the part where parents were leading their child into the LWO conference, and he had tears streaming down his face... That broke my heart.
     
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    Yeah, I was crying when I read that. How could a parent look at their child and lead them into one of those things.
     
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    As odd as it may sound, I wasn't really surprised. I'm not surprised by much of anything anymore. Various religious, legal, social, and political groups have done much more ignorant things in the past concerning the wellbeing of the LGBT community. It's sad, it's angering, but it's been going on for a very long time. At least there ARE people who are willing to fight for our protection.
     
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    The very name "Love won out" is a misnomer. I hate it.

    Even IF (which I doubt) the 15 out of 98 gays had turned hetero, that's still 83 that had wasted their time, money and had to endure guilt and blame and possibly have lasting damage from the "cure". People should be allowed to explore and discover their own sexuality without any bias.
     
  9. STK

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    Oh my non-existent god, who the HELL do these bastards think they are?! Really, "Love Won Out?" That has got to be the biggest misnomer ever, as pirateninja said.

    Ex- gay conferences/camps and conversion the-RAPE-y are emotional abuse. They should be shut down, just like those "metalhead conversion clinics" were.
     
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