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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Tightrope, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. Tightrope

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    Someone already did a post of whether the word "faggot" was offensive or not, and even its history was discussed.

    Now, I want to take up the word "faghag." I think this is fair. Basically, it's meant to be a woman with an overwhelming number of G/B male friends, and sometimes not too many straight male friends and women friends, in some cases. Their BFF (NOW I know what that means, and never mind my dirty mind) is likely to be a gay male, it seems.

    How did this word come about? What do you think the choice of company pattern is about? Is it a woman who wants male companionship, but has intimacy issues? Or is it a woman who may have lesbian tendencies? Or is it both? Or neither? What I've seen is that straight women who are really into guys, have high opinions of themselves, and have a line of guys chasing them don't have many, if any, G/B male friends in their circle.

    Civil discussion is appreciated.
     
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    Sounds like the original definition of lesbian, or more properly, that of 'dyke'.
    I have a friend like this but putting a word to it 's just dumb.
    My deliberation: Unnecessarily offensive.
     


  3. actually no - :grin:

    it is a straight womon who is a friend of the gay man she is the one who goes shopping with him and helps him out and stuff

    old term nowadays they just use "ally" or something

    from what I have seen they just like having someone to have fun with that is not going to scream "friend zone" when you say we are friends and not going to rape you if you are just there.

    gay men are great to hang around. I pretty much refuse to hang around straight men unless they are married and their wives are around - and even then their wives have to be my friends




     
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  4. Tightrope

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    Hi. Thanks for the input. I see the issue of someone not screaming "friend zone." However, I've met some ladies that repeat this cycle and don't have just one gay male friend, but many. They also often eschew getting into relationships with men. It's when the cards are stacked heavily toward all gay male friends that I'm asking about.

    Interesting about "gay men are great to hang around." Why is that? Their dispositions and interests, or just the fact that it feels less involved and safer?
     


  5. I bet you did not notice I am a lesbian - I feel MUCH safer around a gay man than a straight man

    the straight men I have been around are all trying to jump me or worse "convert" me

    I get this at bus stops - stops signs, stop lights , any place one can stop me long enough for more than 2 sentences he will try to get me to have sex with him :bang:

    it is pretty sickening :tears:

    I have reached the point of now carrying a stun gun to punctuate my refusals.



     
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    My wife probably qualifies for that title. She actually had a number of unpleasant experiences with straight men--an alcoholic father, abusive brothers, a date rape and a pretty awful first husband. So she is no great fan of straight men in general--although she seems to find them quite useful for home repairs, oil changes and such! She married me because I didn't seem like a "typical guy" to her, and boy, was she right.

    She also had some less than positive relationships with women, starting with her mother and grandmother. She has a tendency to "pack" with certain women and hang out with them for a period of time, but grows tired of the infighting and drama and moves on.

    However, she idolizes gay men, particularly those who fall into the more stereotypical categories, and always insists she wants one as a roommate so he can help her have the best decorated place around, and also so she can get advice on how to dress! She has always seemed vaguely disappointed that after I told her I was gay, I didn't immediately redo the house and take her on a shopping spree. Reality has clearly clashed with fantasy in my case! She also knows only a handful of gay men, and none well enough (or close enough to her own age) to hang around with, and that genuinely disturbs her. So...a faghag wannabee?

    But in her case I'd say it's a combination of things. She regards gay men as "safe men who won't treat her in all the negative ways straight men have; she sees them as providing many of the same qualities of a girlfriend, with less competition and drama (or at least, less female drama), and she finds them terribly entertaining. Her problems accepting me as gay were largely because I was not as fun as Carson Kressley and don't have the impeccable taste of Nate Berkus!
     
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    Of course I noticed! When a new regular comes on EC, I scan the quick information they provide to the left of their posts. You must have run into some real jerks. Straight men can either be cat callers or, worse yet, physical; however, there are indeed some who will settle for a conversation and then say "oh, ok, my bad" upon learning your sexual orientation does not include them. For me, the level of being irked depended on if I was potentially interested, or not interested, in the woman who was being forward. Their style of being forward, however, is typically not physical.

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    I read it all. It is indeed interwoven and complicated, from what I can deduce. Thankfully, you have a sense of humor!
     
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    I hope people don't people don't mind me resurrecting this old thread, but it's something that crossed my mind recently and I decided to search the forums if anyone else has brought it up instead of starting my own topic.

    So anyway, my opinion on the word "Faghag".

    "Fag" is short for faggot, which is a derogatory term for a homosexual male.
    A "Hag" is a witch, or nasty old woman.

    I think the word "Faghag" has been popularly used among gay men and their female friends as a term of affection. I love this girl, she's my faghag/ I love these guys, I'm their faghag. Friends do call each other names and sling insults at each other all the time in humor - It's a form of camaraderie. i used to call my female friends my faghags all the time.

    However, recently, my stance on the word has changed. Mainly due to the fact that I have met some rather unpleasant female friends of gay men - usually women in their late 40s/early 50s, who are divorced and have kids being babysat at home while mummy is out getting pissed with her gay best friends. These women are very brash, and can be quite intimidating towards gay men who are of a more quiet and reserved demeanor. Oh, they aren't homophobic, they love gay men. They love gay men so much that they want to hear all about your sleazy exploits in explicit detail. If you hold anything back from them, these women will not trust you and deem you unworthy to be around their other gay male friends. I feel that some of these women have actually ruined my chances of getting to know a guy better, because of Mama Faghag sizing me up and judging whether or not the gay guy that she wishes she could be shagging herself should be spending his time with me.

    It is because of my encounters with these sorts of women that I no longer use the word faghag as a term of affection towards women that I do get along with. If I'm enjoying a girl's company and she says "I'll be your faghag!" I'll say "Don't be a faghag. I don't want a faghag. Just be my friend."
     
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    I was reading Cosmo ( Hell if I remember the full name ) for amusement of others because the stories were...well hilarious. They were either unnecessarily sexual, or just over the top ridiculous. Anyways I stumbled upon the term "GirlFag" which is apparently what women who are attracted to gay men have decided to call themselves.

    and I was like WTF

    First, you're wasting your time because gay men are gay...Second, most gay men don't like being called fag ( Me personally, I find that word hilarious ) so why would you indirectly call them fags by referring to yourself as a fag. Like...are you stupid?

    I thought FagHag was the name of a cover wife for gay men. Oh well, learn something new everyday. Anyways...

    Me personally, I find the words Fag and Faggot hilarious. Don't get me wrong if someone uses that word with the intent of being a homophobic ass and to demean others it'll piss me off, but when people are just using that word to use it I'm one of the people who get a chuckle out of it.


    Okay now onto your question because I went off on an unrelated rant.

    I think it's just a normal person hanging out with people who isn't prejudice. She hangs out with one gay guy without judging him, and then other gay people realize she's supportive and feel safe being around her so they naturally gravitate that way, then before long most of her friends are LGBT.

    To add to my theory all her homophobe friends have probably ditched her butt because they tend to be douches. So she loses a few straight friends gains a bunch of gay friends, and BAM! Faghag? That's such a weird term...like I couldn't take someone seriously in a conversation if they said "FagHag"
     
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    Actually the term often used for the "pretend/cover" girlfriend or wife is "beard".
     
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    I always assume faghag is a straight woman who likes being around gay men. I've got no problem with the term. I made my roommate's dog a bandana that says Fag Hag :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    It's offensive, I agree. Though I could (and wish...) I'd right more but lazy atm :frowning2:.

    (yeah, useless post i know :slight_smile:.
     
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    Can somebody explain the story behind 'faggot' for me, because I wanna know how a bunle of sticks/ball of meat/cigarette has turned into a derogatory term for homosexual men. Same with dyke, I wanna know how a wall for regulating water has evolved to be a derogatory term for a lesbian. To me it just doesn't make sense.

    Anyway, I think my sister's a 'FagHag', because she has a fair few gay friends.
     
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    I'm curious if I could be considered a fag hag. I prefer to hang out with gay men and I enjoy shopping. I'm just not straight. Am I still a fag hag?
     
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    Several of my friends prefer the term fruit fly, which I think is kind of cute.