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17th Jun 2008, 09:46 PM

Do u think it is right for Obama to become president but not swear his oath by putting his hand on the bible and not saying the pledge of allegiance?

LOVEjames · 17th Jun 2008, 10:51 PM

... who said that he's not going to put his hand on the Bible or say the pledge of allegiance?

o.O He's. Not. Muslim.

joeyconnick · 17th Jun 2008, 10:59 PM

It would be pretty amazing if he didn't swear on a Bible but as a non-Christian I think that would be cool.

But I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that if he's elected, he will be sworn in in the traditional manner.

Blitzkrieg · 18th Jun 2008, 03:59 AM

Every president who is elected should be inaugurated in the same manner, it's a part of this country's tradition.

Bryan90 · 18th Jun 2008, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Willywilly92

Do u think it is right for Obama to become president but not swear his oath by putting his hand on the bible and not saying the pledge of allegiance?

That would be AWESOME

I swear if America lets him do that, I will never again make fun of
1) America's negative Private Savings
2) The hypocrisy on Capitalism
3) The foundationless American dream which resulted in the dot-com bubble and now the housing bubble

RobbIsFlyyy · 18th Jun 2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LOVEjames

o.O He's. Not. Muslim.

People lie.

Nodnarb · 18th Jun 2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RobbIsFlyyy

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Originally Posted by LOVEjames

o.O He's. Not. Muslim.

People lie.

......*sigh*

And what difference would it even make if he were muslim? I can't say that it really matters to me...

agraves · 18th Jun 2008, 11:18 AM

I'm a very non religious person and believe he should have the right to say no (tradition or not), but how else would he be sworn in? In the military you have the choice when being sworn in by raising your right hand and saying either "I swear" or "I affirm"...maybe they can do something similar for him.

**Lexington** · 18th Jun 2008, 11:21 AM

Yeah, they do that in court, too. You can "affirm" instead of swear.

>>>People lie.

About being Muslim? How's he sneaking in pulling out the prayer rug and facing Mecca three times a day without anybody noticing?

Lex

sdc91 · 18th Jun 2008, 11:23 AM

Well, there is a separation of church and state.

I could care less. If people want to argue over something that trivial, that's really sad.

joeyconnick · 18th Jun 2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Lexington

Yeah, they do that in court, too. You can "affirm" instead of swear.

>>>People lie.

About being Muslim? How's he sneaking in pulling out the prayer rug and facing Mecca three times a day without anybody noticing?

Lex

It's 5 times a day, though, isn't it? Or were you saying 2 of those would have been at night? *grin*

Steve · 18th Jun 2008, 11:28 AM

cant he like swear on the koran insteand??/

joeyconnick · 18th Jun 2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

cant he like swear on the koran insteand??/

Dude... he's. not. Muslim!

Unless all the foofah about his former pastor was just a big joke, which I don't remember it being.

LOVEjames · 18th Jun 2008, 11:30 AM

The Koran isn't 'Holy' in the United States, according to the Government.

Nodnarb · 18th Jun 2008, 11:32 AM

This whole thing about him being muslim is just....sad.

The other day, CNN interviewed some random woman and the street and she SWORE that Obama had once said he was muslim. Seriously.....I suppose she also believes in the "Terrorist Fist Bump".....

**Lexington** · 18th Jun 2008, 12:09 PM

And I think the proper way to say it is "He's not A Muslim." "Muslim" is a noun. "Islamic" is the adjective.

Lex

joeyconnick · 18th Jun 2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lexington

And I think the proper way to say it is "He's not A Muslim." "Muslim" is a noun. "Islamic" is the adjective.

Lex

Actually, Muslim is also an adjective. You would never say that someone is "Islamic."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/muslim

otc877 · 18th Jun 2008, 12:17 PM

Petty corrections are running rampant throughout the board! We will be grammatical masters soon. Wooo!

**Lexington** · 18th Jun 2008, 01:56 PM

^ I think that should be "We will soon be grammatical masters."

Lex

Shido · 18th Jun 2008, 02:15 PM

As far as I'm concerned, saying an oath on a bible doesn't mean shit. Doesn't make you incapable of lying and cheating. Just as meaningless as doing so before taking the witness stand. So I care not.

17th Jun 2008, 09:46 PM	#1
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17th Jun 2008, 10:51 PM	#2
LOVEjames \o/ Love! Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: 4.9 Out Status: Pretty out Location: Seattle, WA Age: 21 Posts: 1,075 Join Date: Apr 2008	Re: Is it right? ... who said that he's not going to put his hand on the Bible or say the pledge of allegiance? o.O He's. Not. Muslim. __________________ La la la la la.

17th Jun 2008, 10:59 PM	#3
joeyconnick sine qua non Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 3,332 Join Date: Apr 2005	Re: Is it right? It would be pretty amazing if he didn't swear on a Bible but as a non-Christian I think that would be cool. But I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that if he's elected, he will be sworn in in the traditional manner.

18th Jun 2008, 03:59 AM	#4
Blitzkrieg I'm gone from here for now. Full Member Gender: Male Age: 22 Posts: 559 Join Date: Aug 2007	Re: Is it right? Every president who is elected should be inaugurated in the same manner, it's a part of this country's tradition.

18th Jun 2008, 11:18 AM	#8
agraves Amber Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Lesbian Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Colorado Age: 28 Posts: 246 Join Date: Jun 2008	Re: Is it right? I'm a very non religious person and believe he should have the right to say no (tradition or not), but how else would he be sworn in? In the military you have the choice when being sworn in by raising your right hand and saying either "I swear" or "I affirm"...maybe they can do something similar for him. __________________ I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened.

18th Jun 2008, 11:21 AM	#9
Lexington The gay gargoyle EC Advisor Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Colorado Age: 42 Posts: 12,370 Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: Is it right? Yeah, they do that in court, too. You can "affirm" instead of swear. >>>People lie. About being Muslim? How's he sneaking in pulling out the prayer rug and facing Mecca three times a day without anybody noticing? Lex

18th Jun 2008, 11:23 AM	#10
sdc91 Coop d'état Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Berlin, Germany Age: 21 Posts: 1,607 Join Date: Nov 2007	Re: Is it right? Well, there is a separation of church and state. I could care less. If people want to argue over something that trivial, that's really sad. __________________

18th Jun 2008, 11:28 AM	#12
Steve EC's Soldier! Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Sargeant sexual Out Status: whoever asks Location: Born in australia, but now living some where else Age: 21 Posts: 2,273 Join Date: May 2008	Re: Is it right? cant he like swear on the koran insteand??/ __________________ Soldier " there is no room for that in my pocklet" commander " if there is room in your heart then there in your pocket" Soldier " i cant fit my gf in there" -r " have you tried ? until you try you dont know"

18th Jun 2008, 11:30 AM	#14
LOVEjames \o/ Love! Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: 4.9 Out Status: Pretty out Location: Seattle, WA Age: 21 Posts: 1,075 Join Date: Apr 2008	Re: Is it right? The Koran isn't 'Holy' in the United States, according to the Government. __________________ La la la la la.

18th Jun 2008, 11:32 AM	#15
Nodnarb Notoriously Homosexual Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Most people Location: Ames, Iowa Age: 20 Posts: 3,875 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: Is it right? This whole thing about him being muslim is just....sad. The other day, CNN interviewed some random woman and the street and she SWORE that Obama had once said he was muslim. Seriously.....I suppose she also believes in the "Terrorist Fist Bump"..... __________________ Better to be hated for who you are, than be loved for who you're not.

18th Jun 2008, 12:09 PM	#16
Lexington The gay gargoyle EC Advisor Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Colorado Age: 42 Posts: 12,370 Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: Is it right? And I think the proper way to say it is "He's not A Muslim." "Muslim" is a noun. "Islamic" is the adjective. Lex

18th Jun 2008, 12:17 PM	#18
otc877 ^_^ Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Most friends know Location: L.A. Outskirts Age: 22 Posts: 790 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: Is it right? Petty corrections are running rampant throughout the board! We will be grammatical masters soon. Wooo!

18th Jun 2008, 01:56 PM	#19
Lexington The gay gargoyle EC Advisor Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Colorado Age: 42 Posts: 12,370 Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: Is it right? ^ I think that should be "We will soon be grammatical masters." Lex

18th Jun 2008, 02:15 PM	#20
Shido Well Known Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Asexual Location: Tokyo Age: 28 Posts: 117 Join Date: May 2008	Re: Is it right? As far as I'm concerned, saying an oath on a bible doesn't mean shit. Doesn't make you incapable of lying and cheating. Just as meaningless as doing so before taking the witness stand. So I care not. __________________ There is nothing natural about maturity in the physically immature. Maturity comes with wisdom, and wisdom comes with pain. Those of us with the greatest minds have endured the greatest torments.