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Tim Cook (Apple CEO) talks about being discriminated against as a gay man

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  1. Chip

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    Tim Cook is normally an intensely private person, but in this presentation (where he was receiving the Lifetime Achievement Award), he speaks about what it was like facing discrimination as a gay man.

    I found it to be a powerful and important speech.

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    I know he's basically known to be gay, and I think was named as the most powerful gay man man by Out magazine. Is this as close to coming out publicly as he's gotten? Because I didn't know he had "come out."
     
  3. TheEdend

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    Naw, he has been publicly out for a while now. Not sure when he "officially" came out, but he has been open about it for years.

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    Oh, and the speech is nice and all, but considering the multiple incidents that Apple has had in the past with human rights violations, it just sounds a bit like bull and propaganda for Apple.
     
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    Aw, that's nice, now can he pay up tax and stop abusing Chinese workers?
     
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    Not a bad speaker! :slight_smile:
     
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    In case some of you didnt know, Apple has many of its products made by Foxconn which has some of the worst working conditions imaginable. They literally have giant nets surrounding their factories to prevent the workers from commuting suicide
     
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    Yay another publicity stunt.
     
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    Wow, these comments are so encouraging. I really mean that. I clicked the thread, thinking everyone was gonna compliment this monster, but you guys were just as cynical as me.

    It's particularly uplifting knowing that gay men are willing to scrutinize immoral men like him.
     
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    I've always thought of Apple as a classist company, catering to a kind of snob/hipster appeal, to those who can afford them, while exploiting cheap labor in the process. Add to this things like the late Steve Jobs' moralizing ("Imagine a porn free internet"), the 'closed operating system', Apple suing people for repairing their equipment outside of authorized repair centers, and I think the company comes off as about as un-hip, un-'individual', and un- do-it yourself as you can get.

    So this gay guy got rich. Big deal. His company seems disingenuous and money-grubbing: Pretending to be the choice of the 'creative', while making products users have little real control over in relation to other cheaper platforms.
     
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    :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

    Man, this place is such an inversion from a year. It's no wonder I like this place so much now. If this thread were posted a year ago, the replies would've consisted of people praising him, and it would be devoid of the critical thinking you all have shown. Rather, people would be mindlessly nodding their heads in agreement with everything that fiend said.
     
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    And Apple interfering with printing firms because it's "outdated technology" (also known as "we don't do it so we're just going to try to ruin you because you offer better services than we do"). Steve Jobs criticising books just made him look like a corporate twat, not a modernist innovator (as did everything he did).

    Self-righteous bastards.
     
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    I have to admit...he's kinda fit. I would so date him.
     
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    I'd marry him, then get a quick divorce, and take half of everything! =p
     
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    Pre-nups baby! His lawyers would be all over it!:lol:
     
  15. Chip

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    Nice work, folks.

    This post was intended to discuss Tim Cook, probably one of the most accomplished and successful role models for gay people to aspire to (in terms of his success as an individual, not how his company operates), who's acknowledged being gay, but never made a big deal about it, and who rarely speaks about himself at all, talking openly about the challenges that gay men face... which helps the LGBT community tremendously, because he's being open, vulnerable, and courageous about the difficulties he's faced, to an audience of people who probably don't hear that sort of thing very often.

    And instead, people turn it into a political discussion about the company he heads and how awful it is. Way to go.

    Well guess what, folks? There are probably a tiny handful of major companies that don't use third-world labor, don't have shady practices of one sort or another.

    And there are a lot of huge companies of size similar to Apple that aren't anywhere near as pioneering in championing gay rights, protecting their LGBT employees and recognizing they deserve partner benefits and other things that straight people take for granted.

    No big company or its CEO is going to be anything close to perfect. But Apple and Tim Cook have done a lot for gay people. You'd think that people could acknowledge that rather than just use the forum to condemn someone that, in this speech, is trying to help our community.
     
  16. TheEdend

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    Sorry, but that's just you assuming that every gay man out there wants to become rich and powerful. Just because this guy was able to do this doesn't mean that all of us wants to be able to do just that.

    Not sure if you noticed, but more than half of his speech was about his company, so I'm not sure why you are so surprised that we started talking about this company.

    He didn't just talk about himself and then we went into this random topic. No, he talked about himself, and then he tied it into how wonderful and fair his company is.



    Apple is at the bottom of pioneering companies that do anything for LGBT employees. They weren't the first company to do so, their policies are pretty much identical to other top 500 companies, and they haven't gotten mixed in politics unless it economically beenfits them.

    You have to be kidding me. Out of all the LGBT activists that there have been you think that Tim Cooks has done a lot for gay people? Please, do give me one example of that other than him just living his life.

    They only thing surprising about this whole thing is that you are blinded by him being gay to see the atrocities that his company, under this supervision, havs committed. But hey, as long as he is gay then I guess its all okay.
     
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    Gus, I'm honestly not surprised at your response. I knew when I saw you'd posted in the thread that you were going to go negative.

    Happy holidays.
     
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    It's really a shame this had to become politicized so quickly. Instead of appreciating what was (to me) a nice speech by an openly gay man who's become CEO of one of the world's most recognized and successful companies (who would of thought that possible twenty or thirty years ago?), apparently everyone's just happy to bash Apple and everything about them.

    Personally, I think it's pretty great that out of all the things he could have spoken about when receiving this award, he chose to speak out against discrimination.
     
  19. TheEdend

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    I'm not really sure why you think I'm being negative about the video.

    I simply stated facts. I also said that the speech was very nice.

    I never once said the guy was evil, never denounced him as a person, and I never said anything negative about anyone.

    The only thing that I said was going against your assumption that he is someone that we should aspire to be. I disagree with that notion. Not sure why that makes it a negative stance.


    I agree, and that's really awesome! But did you also notice that he went beyond LGBT rights? He went on to talk about human rights and human decency. He also talked about how proud he was of his company for being so humane.

    So no, I'm not being negative. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy that's being shown on the video that was brought up to our attention.
     
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    It's a shame that this thread had to take the wrong turn.

    Thought similarly when I watched the video. I think it was a great speech.
     
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