Gay "Sin" in the Modern Age

Oh, goodness. I'm guilty of basically all of this. Ah well. Its a good thing its all crap like you say.

The 'true christian' thing is a bit of a no true scotsman fallacy, though. Measure yourself by the person you are, not on the words of a religious text. You'll be happier for it.

 

Yep. This. I think the idea of a "true christian" is a silly notion. All Christians who treat people like crap get labelled as not "real" by those who are "real". It's just a bunch of subjective nonsense.

 

Sorry to be a party-pooper, but I think the missed point here is that people are disgusted by gayness first, then try to find reasons why they're allowed to be. Reinforced by the fact that I know some Christians who don't hate gays, I think religion actually has very little to do with it. Some people are just shitbags.

 

As a Christian (still working on rebuilding that relationship I guess) I have struggled with this issue. in college I was in a Christian group that I felt was pretty open-minded. We were not Bible-thumpers protesting outside Planned Parenthood or passing out fliers on campus. We met with different groups and talked with them about their feelings with God. Muslims, Mormons, LGBT, women's groups, black student unions, etc. I felt really at home with them, and I was comfortable enough to at least talk to a few people about my questioning, to which they did not shun me.

But when I left college I turned away from those people. I hated the religion, but the spirituality was what sufficed. Some of the people I associated with in college have turned out to be not who I thought they were. They went to churches that preached the gospel, but the pastor would hop off in a Mercedes to his $3 million mansion. It was full of hypocrisy. Even with my parents, I could see how hard they tried to live accordingly to the Bible, but it is hard.

So...sorry for the soapbox right there.

I think my biggest struggle has been to recognize that there is equal sin. But the thing I keep getting hung on is the fact that people say you have to repent from sin to get to heaven. How do you repent from being gay? I mean that is just something that seems impossible, and for that matter stupid because it is love. You can't, and shouldn't deny love to someone. And to have someone who is just as equal a sinner as I am tell me I have no right to heaven, regardless of if I believe in its existence, is complete and total bullshit.

I believe in God. I believe in love. I believe God loves us so much and in turn we should love everyone just as much. I don't know if any of this makes sense, and I don't want to step on any toes. But I hate what the Robertsons say and stand for. I hate that they represent a people I am very close to. I hate the hypocrisy that goes unnoticed in this world.

 

Sin is something invented by the pious to make themselves feel good and scare everyone else into following their religion.

 

Everyone sins. Everyone, but you know gods still loves you. That is kind of their thing love and forgiveness. I don't think god thinks being gay is a sin. I know what the bible says and I know what the clergy says, but my heart doesn't agree.

I don't like when religion is used as a reason to be a bad person as some times happens. That is not what god is about. They clearly want you to love your neighbor not condemn them to hell for being gay.

 

Yeah, religion can be a good excuse for self-righteous ignoramuses to claim that being gay isn't "natural."
Its particularly annoying because that's completely on the other end of the spectrum of what any religion is supposed to be, unless its like some creepy ancient human sacrifice stuff or Cthulhu worship...
(On another note, don't mess with Cthulhu worshipers, I'm pretty sure they can evoke the spirit of Lovecraft when in vengeful moods.)

 

I'm not religious because it's just my perspective, but if I were to believe in it, than I guess I would be going straight to hell

 

Here the thing. You never want to associate religi

 

No, I am not suggesting we ignore anything out of convenience. If something is wrong, then we ought not do it. What I'm saying is that the bible is an extremely poor guide to morality, and that morality doesn't come from religion, but from people.

Being gay isn't 'okay' because everybody sins. Its okay because it is not an immoral action.

And I'm not saying its 'almost' impossible to be a true christian, I'm saying the notion is fallacious.

 

Wrong. I don't sin, in fact its impossible for me to sin because I don't follow your religion.

 

Devil's got barbecue and the best tunes anyway.

#...We're on the highway to hell...#

 

That doesn't mean you don't sin; it just means that you don't believe some otherworldly entity is keeping score.

One can throw in my agreement though that God does not condemn people for gayness, eating of shellfish, or even wearing mixed fabrics. Leviticus just does not apply.

 

Sin is a religious concept, though. Us non-religious don't consider bad shit to be sin, we consider it to be bad shit.

 

The bible is a guidebook written by many people with different viewpoints that often contradict each other. So while it might have valuable messages, it is full of contradictions.

I believe in God and Jesus because Jesus never preached hate or bigotry towards anyone. It is not the words to me, but the actions he demonstrated.

Also a mistranslated but nevertheless wise saying attributed to Buddha said

Believe nothing.
No matter where you read it,
Or who said it,
Even if I have said it,
Unless it agrees with your own reason
And your own common sense.

 

Something I've wondered is how much of the King James Bible is a straight translation of the original and how much was altered for nefarious purposes.

 

Semantics I suppose. One group could consider an activity to be "operating a motor vehicle" and another calls it "driving." But that's pretty off-topic for me lol.

And GeeLee, I'm pretty sure the Bible gets muddied a little with every new translation.

 

Scholars have debated that forever. And who wrote what book and where.