"If everyone was gay, humans wouldn't exist"...

I dont like when people claim homsexuality is unatural when animals do it.

 

What he means is if everyone was gay and no straight people would have sex and there would be no more babies
It's still dumb though

 

And you can cite the fact that the world population has, I believe, recently surpassed the 7 billion persons milestone and let him know that you don't think the human existence is in any real danger. The growing population will make sustainability difficult. You could also suggest that everyone stops using birth control and we everyone has 15 children or ask him why he didn't take that route!

 

Provided that procreation between the sexes occurred to propagate the species then that point is irrelevant.

Gay people have kids.

 

You'll get this same type of rebuttal from any argument. It's just a way for them to tell themselves they're right. Of course not always, but for the most part i find it is. Kind of like the whole "Video games cause violence" and "Why do you need an automatic weapon to hunt"

 

That is a good point. Even in the hypothetical situation that everyone was gay, gay people could still have children, through various means.

Also, from an individual perspective, the weight of the world does not rest upon the shoulders of one person.

 

I'd say, "Well, isn't it a good thing the vast majority of people are straight? And what about all the single straight people who aren't making babies, either?"

 

It may be true, but it's a really lame argument. No right minded person would talk about everyone being gay.

Fact: gay people have been around since the beginning of time and it hasn't threatened the existence of humanity yet and it's hardly likely to either.

 

Just another one of those homophobic knee-jerk fallacies.

 

This is a very dumb point that many people use and here's why:

First of all, the sole function of sex and pair bonds is not limited to just procreation. Pair bonds aid in survival and it is a fact that people that are married usually are happier and have better mental health. Sex strengthens and solidifies social bonds. It is something we do to strengthen bonds, ease tension and gain trust. Many species have all kinds of sex and this is the reason why they do it.

Second of all homosexuality is natural because it exist in the natural world. Thousands of species exhibit homosexual behaviour and pair bondings and even child raising between the same sex is commonplace is some species. Also evidence suggests that it is an inherited trait.

And finally- it makes sense that a certain percent of the population doesn't reproduce. If everyone was 100% heterosexual, they'd all have vaginal sex sooner or later and we would have an unsustainable population. That is actually one of the biggest problems in the world right now. Gay people are a part of life, we have our purpose and we belong here. We're not all meant to fit one mould.

I'm sorry but the "it's not natural" or "if everyone was gay" argument has no legs to stand on, because it is natural and everyone is not gay, but some people are and that is the way it's meant to be.

 

Funny, I always thought they were invented by Joe Gay. -____-

 

And how is it that mankind isn't still disintegrated? :eusa_eh: Is our plan failing? :jawdrop:

 

You could say to him, ok dad, why are there so many men? as we only need a few considering there are 300 million sperm released in an ejaculation, so why are there not say 2 men to every 100 women born. That would keep the population going for a while.

 

Still the best answer to any "suppose everyone was <whatever>" argument...

Which isn't a good line to quote back at anyone but perfect one for keeping in mind when people do use arguments like that.

 

Wrong. Al Gore.

 

Edit: First of all, addressing the classic appeal to nature: that something is natural does not mean it is right. Likewise, abnormality isn't wrong either. If we did everything the way nature intended, what would our society be like?

I think this is a really tough question. If everyone in the world were homosexual, would our societies really be exactly the same?

I don't think so. Much of our family culture is based on the idea that two people of opposite sex agree to share their wealth and pass their genes. If everyone was gay, procreation wouldn't happen in marriage — marriage might not even be between man and woman. We'd need an institution solely for the purpose of procreation.

I guess fertility clinics would play a substantially larger part in everyday life. Surrogate motherhood might be very common. Our concept of family could be entirely different. In the scenario, a family might mean two couples, male-male and female-female, raising children together.

 

Animals also engage in necrophilia. Yeah, you get 'lesbian' albatrosses and 'gay behaviour' in male dogs... they don't think of it like humans do! What happens in nature isn't always the best guide. We have to consider safety and consent. I don't see the problem with consenting adults engaging in homosexual behaviour. The age of consent is an argument for another time. It's only one bit of their lives. I think that if everyone in the world were gay, we'd figure out a way to continue the species. Some people love to cling to stupid ideas to justify (perhaps also to themselves?) their fear and/or hate. Anyway, humans already exist!

 

His main argument suggests that, should homosexuality be considered okay, then everyone would be gay.

I really hate this argument for a ton of reasons.

1. The same people who bring it up also tend to be the people who bring up the fact that we're less than 10% of the population.

2. Those people then ask why less than 10% of the population are forcing their opinion down 90% of the population's throat.

3. At the same time, it's not the opinion that's the minority anymore. It's simply the people. The world is split in half on this issue. No overwhelming majority exists anymore, as far as the opinion goes. But when it boils down to it, we're still less than 10% of the population.

I'm not sure if your father thinks that, but it's what I encounter a lot.