race preservation and queers

Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of racist gays. This may piss people off, but hey, I'll say it anyway. Gays, yes, but not so many queers. It usually takes a radical to identify as queer.

 

Racist LGBT people aren't a new thing. I've seen a lot of racism from LGBT people, quite a lot on EC. I think that while we sometimes have the ability to understand others thanks to what we go through, queer people aren't exempt from power structures that benefit them. I think it's foolish to think that we don't benefit from other forms of oppression and discrimination.

Some of the most vicious racism I've seen has come from the LGBT community. In the west, white gays tend to be no better then straights in terms of racism, or at least in my experience.

 

I've always thought it strange that so many gay men tend to be so vocal of their "preferences", when two members of the same sex technically can't reproduce with one another. Perhaps it has more to do with narcissism (you're like me, I like me, so I like you) or fear? It would certainly explain why some non-white LGBT want nothing to do with the mainstream community.

 

You keep telling yourself that.

Sure, preference needn't be inherently racist, but really ask yourself and others why they have those preferences, especially given that the most commonly occurring one seems to be whites-only.

 

Ha, once again I've been a bit naive, it would seem...I always assumed that lgbt folk, who usually experience much discrimination and prejudice themselves, naturally would not inflict that on others.

 

It wouldn't surprise me. A lesbian once gave me shit over the fact that I'm not "pure-bred white." I'm western European, Scandinavian, native American, and hispanic (as far as I know).

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I agree with both of you. While I don't think preferance itself is racist, I do think a lot of gay men/lesbians are "whites-only" due to pale skin being the norm in the gay community. I'm a feminine lesbian, and I've been told that I have to bleach my hair and wear "white-looking" makeup in order to look more feminine.

As for me, I really don't prefer a certain race. I think woman with dark hair are cute, but it's not a requirement. I think women of any race can be cute.

 

It wasn't a comment on you.

 

It's amazing to me the number of times you hear--yes, even on this board--the basic sentiment of: I like (fill in race) I just wouldn't want to date them. It's not even particularly modern racism--it always strikes me as a sort of 1950s style racism.

 

Racism is very much so alive in the gay (and queer) community. Much like trans- and biphobia, it's incredibly sad to see, considering the perpetrators, but it's there...

 

There will be assholes everywhere, no matter where you go.

 

Baltimore is a city that has a black majority, and I'd say that gay people here tend to be less prejudiced than 'average'. You see a decent amount of inter-mixture, especially in the gay neighborhoods surrounding Mount Vernon. The city certainly still has vast divides, but the LGBT community seems to help bridge them, more so than not. I'm not sure what the case is in various other places, but it probably varies by country, state, city, history, and many other variables. But both my mate and I have dated blacks in the past (geez, that sounds stupid to type!), and still have no problem in commenting if we find somebody of a different 'race' attractive.

But I think in the imagery of the so-called 'gay community', there is still an odd divide. Part of this is because its generally harder to come out as a gay, black male, due to numerous cultural reasons. (It isn't 'tough'; religious beliefs, &c.) and it's thus harder to see as many openly gay blacks. It's as if one has to come out of two closets.

 

idk I dont get it, most (not all, but most) lgbt couples can't have kids on their own so the "race preservation" argument just seems as an excuse to hide prejudice.....

 

How someone LGBT could be racist, knowing what it is to be judged on something as arbitrary as sexuality/gender identity, is beyond me.

 

I've heard stranger things. A guy I know who is also gay said that male + male relationships seemed more "natural" than lesbian relationships.