Britain vs America (LBGT rights)

I'm from Britain and only know one homophobic person, we also have gay marriage everywhere and anti-discrimation laws everywhere so I would say Britain.

 

i would say Britain, i am from the USA but from what i have heard it seems Britain is farther in terms of equality

 

We have anti-discrimination laws to a point in the US, but I don't think we're quite as good about it as you are. Lots of hardcore religious conservatives and an overall culture that's not quite ready for it. Gays are still seen mostly as a novelty and not really normal people for the most part

 

And they're about to be gutted in the name of "religious freedom" thanks to the Hobby Lobby decision.

 

What does contraception have to do with our rights?
The last time I checked, pregnancy generally happens in heterosexual couples...

 

Why is it that you consistently refuse to make even a logical tip-toe from one domain to another? While the Hobby Lobby decision was indeed about contraception, and whether an employer should be required to cover certain kinds of it, the underlying logic behind the decision will reach farther than the domain of that case. That was the AwesomGaytheist's point. And it's also the nature of the Supreme Court. They tend to reason by analogy, and across domains.

So it's no good to respond to him with "well, the Hobby Lobby decision was about something else."

This isn't even close to the logical leap you're pretending it is.

 

> How friendly of you.
> What are you implying?
Hey, I asked him politely. Dealing with abstractions is one of my weaker skills. Besides, I think I get his point now. The "Religious Freedom" argument could be used against gay marriage. You happy now?

 

UK seems to be winning. Although, I think that the size of the US plays a factor too. Gay rights tend to be passed per state instead of national level.

 

I have responded on your wall.

 

Britain definitely, but I think America is a lot more diverse, so it is going to take longer

 

Britain is further, I know mostly people who are homophobes or against it because God said it was wrong.

 

I live in the Southeastern U.S.. Hands down it's Britain. I'm appalled by what I see here on a daily basis.

 

If only gay rights in the U.S be the same as the U.K all that gay and bisexual people get here in the states (mostly) is hate, hate, and oh I almost forgot hate. In where I live people have been beaten for being gay or bisexual. [Insert sad and angry sigh here]

 

I think Britain. We may have the same or similar rights in the eyes of the law in both countries, but there is a very different culture here towards gays than in America.

I live in the 4th most religious area in England (Merseyside, huge population of Catholics) and I would walk down the street of my girlfriend and not be worried, nor be shunned. Everyone I know feels like that they could be out and gay and be fine. I can't think of a single person in my life who is homophobic.... From family, friends, neighbours, teachers, etc. I hear that it is very different in America - especially if you are in the 4th most religious state.

On the verge of a migraine, sorry if I don't make sense!

 

I think Britain. We may have the same or similar rights in the eyes of the law in both countries, but there is a very different culture here towards gays than in America.

I live in the 4th most religious area in England (Merseyside, huge population of Catholics) and I would walk down the street of my girlfriend and not be worried, nor be shunned. Everyone I know feels like that they could be out and gay and be fine. I can't think of a single person in my life who is homophobic.... From family, friends, neighbours, teachers, etc. I hear that it is very different in America - especially if you are in the 4th most religious state.

On the verge of a migraine, sorry if I don't make sense!

 

Exactly. The USA is gigantic so trying to reach out to it will take much longer simply due to population size, it's more similar to Europe than England (if europe all had a similar culture and language).

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I'd imagine "britain being more accepting" would go hand in hand with "british gays coming out earlier once they realise they are gay". If i knew for certain when I was eight (when I first started guessing) I wouldve come out but if i didnt know then why would I come out, regardless of how accepting the country was?

 

I don't agree that it is necessarily the same for gay men unfortunately though.

The people in these areas are often raised by a strict code of "never hit a girl" hence lesbians (particularly those who are naturally more feminine) are provided some protection from that. You also have homophobic people who see lesbians favorably due to personal fantasies from the media/porn use. The same just doesn't always apply for gay men.

I think the more feminine gay men are somewhat safer in a way as the homophobes just perceive them as women and the "never hit a girl" thing kicks in. However they see more masculine guys as fair game for physical violence and intimidation, it wouldn't surprise me if they see them as a real threat to their own masculinity or "straightness" (i.e. "he looks like me but is gay, I don't want to look like a gay man").

Don't get me wrong its better than it would be in say, rural Texas but its not a utopia yet.