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otc877 · 6th Sep 2008, 11:09 AM

So, I just had a young married couple come to my door and try to persuade me to vote against the overturn on gay marriage and to amend to constitution to state marriage is between a man and a woman.

I can't believe how angry that made me, I literally started to shake.
Conversation went as follows... rough paraphrasing...
Them: *Introduces themselves* "Do you vote?"
me: "Yes"
"Have you heard of Proposition 8?"
"Yes"
"And, how are you going to vote on the issue?"
"How are you trying to persuade me?"
"Well, Proposition 8 will amend to constitution to state that Marriage is between a man and a woman, we're trying to convince you to vote for it."
"You can have a nice day." *Closes door*

So, it's true. They have started going door to door to cleanse California.

Psychedelic Bookmarks · 6th Sep 2008, 11:13 AM

That must have been a nasty experience. Congratulations for staying polite. Try not to let it shake you, they're just bigots.

Trumpetplyer23 · 6th Sep 2008, 11:23 AM

Wow.

That's a bit extreme to try and get people to vote for it.

Don't let it get to you though, some people will be bigots, and others won't be. You just have to deal with the bigots.

Tim · 6th Sep 2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by otc877

So, I just had a young married couple come to my door and try to persuade me to vote against the overturn on gay marriage and to amend to constitution to state marriage is between a man and a woman.

I can't believe how angry that made me, I literally started to shake.
Conversation went as follows... rough paraphrasing...
Them: *Introduces themselves* "Do you vote?"
me: "Yes"
"Have you heard of Proposition 8?"
"Yes"
"And, how are you going to vote on the issue?"
"How are you trying to persuade me?"
"Well, Proposition 8 will amend to constitution to state that Marriage is between a man and a woman, we're trying to convince you to vote for it."
"You can have a nice day." *Closes door*

So, it's true. They have started going door to door to cleanse California.

Yep, posted a while back they came to my door lol I thought it was centralized down south, but apparently they are up here too -.-

Quoting from other thread:

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Originally Posted by Myzou

Anyways, they knocked on the door, and asked my take on proposition 8, and I told them, they still insisted on lecturing me, knowing I was gay, which made no sense. So I said, "Be careful, this is the projects, if you say something wrong, things might happen." >_> They left.

Not a threat, but it could be construed as one <_< lol

I said an evil thing to a Jehova's witness once, but I was in a really bad mood, lol, scared him so bad he ran off the porch and into their car XD, His grandma got the joke though -.- I told Mike (Beebo) about it when it happened lol.

Derek the Wolf · 6th Sep 2008, 01:12 PM

Wow, that's not right. They shouldn't be pressing their opinions on others. Ergh, I hate preaching in all its forms.

Emberstone · 6th Sep 2008, 01:33 PM

there will always be bigotied hate mongerers who feel the need to control any and everything in existance. I treat them the same way I treat those stupid phone surveys.

what they dont want to figure out is the fact that jesus said we are not to listen to leviticus as it is not valid or how we are suposed to live out life as a chirstian. beyond that, it has been proven that the whole point of leviticus was that there were those who at the time it was written belived that it wasnt cheating on their spouses if it was someone of the same gender as them. something biblical scholers have been pointing out for ages, but the fundementalist continue to try to hide the fakes.

-Michael- · 6th Sep 2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by otc877

"You can have a nice day." *Closes door*

oh no you dih-int.
*clicks fingers and bobs head *

Pixbadgirl · 6th Sep 2008, 02:02 PM

I'm sorry this happened to you but you handled it very well. You should be proud of yourself for your maturity. Remember that people like that are beneath you. Ignorant people should be prevented from expressing their bigoted opinions in public... expecially door-to-door. It's the price we pay for 'freedom of speech'.

6th Sep 2008, 02:05 PM

i have always wanted this to happen to me so i can do somthing awesome with it...... so many devious ideas! like talk to them for ever.. just keep talking to them asking for material then at then end go by the way i gay!

lcr guy · 6th Sep 2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by derek

Wow, that's not right. They shouldn't be pressing their opinions on others. Ergh, I hate preaching in all its forms.

Well, isn't that what most people think about activist judges legislating from the bench, circumventing the voice and vote of the people?

Noah · 6th Sep 2008, 03:48 PM

Wow, for once I kind of disagree with you guys. Not about proposition 8 obviously, but about the door-to-door. You seemed genuinely shocked that they would go door to door about gay marriage, and you don't want it pushed in your face. At the same time, wouldn't any of us go door to door to save gay marriage? Those people (I'm around them way to much), are misguided. I don't have a problem with their going door to door just like everyone else. Am I psycho? Maybe im just in a good mood...

beckyg · 6th Sep 2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah

Wow, for once I kind of disagree with you guys. Not about proposition 8 obviously, but about the door-to-door. You seemed genuinely shocked that they would go door to door about gay marriage, and you don't want it pushed in your face. At the same time, wouldn't any of us go door to door to save gay marriage? Those people (I'm around them way to much), are misguided. I don't have a problem with their going door to door just like everyone else. Am I psycho? Maybe im just in a good mood...

No you are not psycho, I agree with you. There is going to be people going door to door in favor of Proposition 8 also and they have the same right to do that. If you guys encouter these people and you are free to do so, invite them in and tell them about your life. You never know, it just may make a difference.

Noah · 6th Sep 2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beckyg

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Originally Posted by Noah

Wow, for once I kind of disagree with you guys. Not about proposition 8 obviously, but about the door-to-door. You seemed genuinely shocked that they would go door to door about gay marriage, and you don't want it pushed in your face. At the same time, wouldn't any of us go door to door to save gay marriage? Those people (I'm around them way to much), are misguided. I don't have a problem with their going door to door just like everyone else. Am I psycho? Maybe im just in a good mood...

No you are not psycho, I agree with you. There is going to be people going door to door in favor of Proposition 8 also and they have the same right to do that. If you guys encouter these people and you are free to do so, invite them in and tell them about your life. You never know, it just may make a difference.

Good... I'm not psycho

beckyg · 11th Sep 2008, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by beyondken

Invite them in and have them stay for hours, so they run out of time to get around to converting others...

heh.

EXCELLENT IDEA!

Jeimuzu · 11th Sep 2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by otc877

So, I just had a young married couple come to my door and try to persuade me to vote against the overturn on gay marriage and to amend to constitution to state marriage is between a man and a woman.

I can't believe how angry that made me, I literally started to shake.
Conversation went as follows... rough paraphrasing...
Them: *Introduces themselves* "Do you vote?"
me: "Yes"
"Have you heard of Proposition 8?"
"Yes"
"And, how are you going to vote on the issue?"
"How are you trying to persuade me?"
"Well, Proposition 8 will amend to constitution to state that Marriage is between a man and a woman, we're trying to convince you to vote for it."
"You can have a nice day." *Closes door*

So, it's true. They have started going door to door to cleanse California.

I can't resist it. I get the urge to start preaching. Every time someone does something like that to me, I just go all ninja-theology on their punk mofo collective assness.

Mind you, I'd rather just go with a very literal interpretation of 'throwing the book at them', and possibly show them just how literal 'foot-in-mouth' can be.

ccdd · 11th Sep 2008, 10:20 AM

Wow, that must have been annoying! But yeah, free speech and all has that side-effect...

But I think you dealt with it well, although I agree that next time you should invite them in and keep them out of circulation!!

Nitro · 11th Sep 2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by beyondken

Invite them in and have them stay for hours, so they run out of time to get around to converting others...

heh.

Cut from the same cloth we are. However I would even go a step further and try to convert them (while maintaining the facade of being neutral).

Or you could have a little fun. Here are a few ideas (feel free to steal):
- ask them why you should not be allowed to marry (before telling them you are gay)
- serve them some nice thick tea in tea cups that depict homo erotic scenes in the bottom of each cup (glup!)
- traditional marriage is the foundation of western civilization because ... why? Homosexuality is present in several hundred species (most of them more complex life forms such as primates, dolphins, zebras). Should not homosexuality be encouraged (in moderation) as a foundation of life itself
- tell them that you need their help with a dilemma. See this crazy man in town preaches false teachings and according to Deuteronomy 13 (yes, the whole chapter is very explicit in this point) you are morally obliged to kill him. Ask them if it would be following in the footsteps of Jesus, seeing that he only spared an adulteress (sexual crime in leviticus) and not an agent of deception from the true path to God's love. Have copies of the bible ready and take all day reading them together.
- revoking the rights of same-sex marriage?! ask them where they got such a daft idea. Then jest that other groups should have their rights to marry revoked such as straight atheists/Jews etc. Actually, be sure to use the Jews as an example because of how taboo anti-semitism has gotten these days
- tell them that they aren't real à la crazy semi-delusional person

Have fun!

Brija · 11th Sep 2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lcr guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by derek

Wow, that's not right. They shouldn't be pressing their opinions on others. Ergh, I hate preaching in all its forms.

Well, isn't that what most people think about activist judges legislating from the bench, circumventing the voice and vote of the people?

Well, yes. But most people don't realize the job of a judge isn't to uphold the voice and vote of the people. Their job is to uphold the constitution and determine the constitutionality of laws.

Wander · 11th Sep 2008, 02:19 PM

The only people who really irk me are the ones who go on pushing themselves on you AFTER they find out you're gay. The rest are minor annoyances.

**EM68** · 11th Sep 2008, 03:23 PM

My parents signed a petition in MA to put a ban on gay marriage a couple of years ago. A few weeks later my mother's friend, who's son is gay and married (lives in MA) found out. Her friend confronted my mom and both got into a heated argument. Both were crying at the end. They wound up making up and never talked about it again.

A month ago my mom's friend died and we both went to the funeral. I was able to reconnect with him and we have sent a couple of emails since. Last night my mom and I had dinner together and she mentioned about her friend. She then said she regretted signing the the petition not because she is in favor of gay marriage, but because she did not want to hurt her friend. My mom feels that gay marriage is wrong because "it was not the intent of the scripture". She did say that his partner is nice. but she could not call him his spouse or husband. I am not out to anyone in my family and when she brings it up (every time she talks about her friend) it stresses me out.

6th Sep 2008, 11:09 AM	#1
otc877 ^_^ Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Most friends know Location: L.A. Outskirts Age: 22 Posts: 790 Join Date: Oct 2007	Door to door righteousness So, I just had a young married couple come to my door and try to persuade me to vote against the overturn on gay marriage and to amend to constitution to state marriage is between a man and a woman. I can't believe how angry that made me, I literally started to shake. Conversation went as follows... rough paraphrasing... Them: Introduces themselves "Do you vote?" me: "Yes" "Have you heard of Proposition 8?" "Yes" "And, how are you going to vote on the issue?" "How are you trying to persuade me?" "Well, Proposition 8 will amend to constitution to state that Marriage is between a man and a woman, we're trying to convince you to vote for it." "You can have a nice day." Closes door So, it's true. They have started going door to door to cleanse California.

6th Sep 2008, 11:13 AM	#2
Psychedelic Bookmarks Helena Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: Close family and quite a few friends Location: UK Age: 18 Posts: 2,195 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: Door to door righteousness That must have been a nasty experience. Congratulations for staying polite. Try not to let it shake you, they're just bigots. __________________ "I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial." (Morissey)

6th Sep 2008, 01:12 PM	#5
Derek the Wolf Furry Overlord Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Pansexual Out Status: Majority Location: Illinois Age: 20 Posts: 1,325 Join Date: Jul 2008	Re: Door to door righteousness Wow, that's not right. They shouldn't be pressing their opinions on others. Ergh, I hate preaching in all its forms. __________________

6th Sep 2008, 01:33 PM	#6
Emberstone Flappychap Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Oregon, USA Age: 28 Posts: 5,585 Join Date: May 2008	Re: Door to door righteousness there will always be bigotied hate mongerers who feel the need to control any and everything in existance. I treat them the same way I treat those stupid phone surveys. what they dont want to figure out is the fact that jesus said we are not to listen to leviticus as it is not valid or how we are suposed to live out life as a chirstian. beyond that, it has been proven that the whole point of leviticus was that there were those who at the time it was written belived that it wasnt cheating on their spouses if it was someone of the same gender as them. something biblical scholers have been pointing out for ages, but the fundementalist continue to try to hide the fakes.

6th Sep 2008, 02:02 PM	#8
Pixbadgirl Jazzrawr's Mom! Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Straight Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Ontario Age: 45 Posts: 66 Join Date: Sep 2008	Re: Door to door righteousness I'm sorry this happened to you but you handled it very well. You should be proud of yourself for your maturity. Remember that people like that are beneath you. Ignorant people should be prevented from expressing their bigoted opinions in public... expecially door-to-door. It's the price we pay for 'freedom of speech'. __________________ "I think that somehow, we learn who we really are and then live with that decision." "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." Eleanor Rosevelt

6th Sep 2008, 02:05 PM	#9
Master Hade Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Door to door righteousness i have always wanted this to happen to me so i can do somthing awesome with it...... so many devious ideas! like talk to them for ever.. just keep talking to them asking for material then at then end go by the way i gay!

6th Sep 2008, 03:48 PM	#11
Noah Killer Queen Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Wilde Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Macon, GA Posts: 494 Join Date: Sep 2008	Re: Door to door righteousness Wow, for once I kind of disagree with you guys. Not about proposition 8 obviously, but about the door-to-door. You seemed genuinely shocked that they would go door to door about gay marriage, and you don't want it pushed in your face. At the same time, wouldn't any of us go door to door to save gay marriage? Those people (I'm around them way to much), are misguided. I don't have a problem with their going door to door just like everyone else. Am I psycho? Maybe im just in a good mood... __________________ Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. -Scott Adams

11th Sep 2008, 10:20 AM	#16
ccdd Procrastination Queen Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: 30(ish) friends, but mostly closeted. Out to mum Location: UK Posts: 1,009 Join Date: Nov 2007	Re: Door to door righteousness Wow, that must have been annoying! But yeah, free speech and all has that side-effect... But I think you dealt with it well, although I agree that next time you should invite them in and keep them out of circulation!!

11th Sep 2008, 02:19 PM	#19
Wander Banned Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Parents, aunts, grandma, counselor, online friends Location: Central Alabama Age: 18 Posts: 2,360 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: Door to door righteousness The only people who really irk me are the ones who go on pushing themselves on you AFTER they find out you're gay. The rest are minor annoyances.

11th Sep 2008, 03:23 PM	#20
EM68 Happily Married! :) EC Moderator Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out and about. Location: Stoughton, Massachusetts USA Age: 43 Posts: 4,288 Join Date: Jun 2008	Re: Door to door righteousness My parents signed a petition in MA to put a ban on gay marriage a couple of years ago. A few weeks later my mother's friend, who's son is gay and married (lives in MA) found out. Her friend confronted my mom and both got into a heated argument. Both were crying at the end. They wound up making up and never talked about it again. A month ago my mom's friend died and we both went to the funeral. I was able to reconnect with him and we have sent a couple of emails since. Last night my mom and I had dinner together and she mentioned about her friend. She then said she regretted signing the the petition not because she is in favor of gay marriage, but because she did not want to hurt her friend. My mom feels that gay marriage is wrong because "it was not the intent of the scripture". She did say that his partner is nice. but she could not call him his spouse or husband. I am not out to anyone in my family and when she brings it up (every time she talks about her friend) it stresses me out.