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They is vs They are?

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  1. Ryujin

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    I'm wondering, 'they' can be used as a gender neutral singular as well as a gender neutral plural would you be correct in using 'is' (the singular of 'to be' when referring to someone else, right?) after 'they' when referring to a single person whilst using gender neutral pronouns, or would you still use 'are' (the plural of 'to be')?
     
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    They are.

    "They" as a singular gender neutral pronoun has more uses that just to refer to genderqueer people. It's helpful when talking about a hypothetical person of unknown gender, for example, "If anyone finds my dog, they are to call...". It has been in use for much longer than some people realise.
     
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    It's "they are" in both cases.
     
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    "Are." You have to conjugate according to the pronoun in a strictly grammatical sense, even if your intuition tells you otherwise.

    Of course, you still say "[name] is," when talking about someone who uses "they," because a singular noun requires that.

    Similarly, the distinction between "one" and the impersonal "you" requires that one conjugates/you conjugate according to the pronoun present, even if one means/you mean to refer to the third-person impersonal only. It's just a matter of the grammar being more strict than the immediate application that you're using, in your case that of referring to a single person with a pronoun that refers to the plural.
     
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    I like talking with smart people, or reading their posts, that can explain things like this. :slight_smile:
     
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    "Good writing is the secret handshake through which intelligent minds recognize one another."

    I'm not sure who originally said this...but it's brilliant and absolutely true.
     
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    Not every intelligent person is a good writer. I, for example, am terrible. (Ha, I just proclaimed myself intelligent!)
    Although, what constitutes a good writer is debatable as well. Eloquence? Clarity? Substance? Cool-sounding Latin and Greek loan words like sycophant and anomie? All of the prior?
     
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    You would use "are" because "they" is plural in form. When it is used as a gender neutral pronoun, it is being used singularly (as in "each student should bring their own laptop"), but form usually trumps meaning. In that sentence, "they" is being used as a singular pronoun, but, since it is plural in form, it always agrees with a verb that is also plural in form.
     
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    I think we need a new pronoun if we want something both singular and gender neutral. "They" is a lukewarm, dubiously correct workaround, unfortunately.

    At least I got to say "they is" right there and get away with it. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    I *never* would imply that all intelligent people are great writers. And I stand by my statement.
     
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    They is the third person plural, and thus you must use "are".

    They are in Toronto for the weekend.
    They are coming to Vermont for the weekend.
     
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    They are, unless you're from the south!
     
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    they is, to assert your dominance as a burly southern tough guy
     
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    Or a hood guy, because their accents have gotten remarkably similar in some places.
     
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    "One" would work as a neutral pronoun, although it makes one sound... antiquated.
    "They is" is grammatically incorrect and sounds very awkward.
     
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    Hey, not even Southerners speak this way. Maybe backwards rednecks do, but not Southerners in general.
    Yes, it is always "they are" even if you mean to use it as a singular pronoun because it is actually a plural pronoun. And yes as someone pointed out the word "one" is a more correct word to use instead of "they" if you want a singular pronoun; however, no one really uses "one" when speaking. Or at least no one I know does. Anyway, it is always "they are". :slight_smile:
     
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    Yeah, it's been in use since 1375 according to the Oxford English Dictionary.