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How Is This Any Better?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by ZenMusic, Oct 16, 2014.

  1. ZenMusic

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    So there's people who say "all sin is the same" or " I don't agree with homosexuality, but they're the same as murderers and prostitutes" and pat themselves on the back for their pathetic excuse for progress. Why do people do this?
     
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    People can be cruel and uneducated and also ignorant. Why do you have a problem with prostitutes, sometimes it is a way for a girl or guy to make a quick cash return, murderers yes they are awful but then is the person who murders someone for raping them the same as someone who just murders a stranger? Everyone has a story but yes I think you cannot generalise and prostitution murder and being lgbti are all very different things.
     
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    Because they're not trying to make homosexuality a crime punishable by death, and therefore they can't possibly be homophobic.

    Bigots think that tolerance is all they need to not be homophobic/sexist/racist/whatever. But "tolerating" gays means simply allowing gays to exist and do their thing despite not liking it or personally approving of it, which, while a step up from actively seeking to harm gays, still means that their views/attitudes regarding homosexuality feed into a system that oppresses, belittles, and harms gays. So in the long run, they really aren't any better than those who actively wish harm on gays.
     
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    If you are theist, it's not your job to decide whether homosexualty is a sin or not. Only God can judge.

    If you are atheist, what's the point using the word 'sin'? If you do big harm to somebody, you commit a crime and you should be punished with paying a fine, or going to prison, etc.
    But homosexualty doesn't harm anybody so why punish?

    These people who said this should think more realist. If they can use their brain properly, of course.
     
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    You can't expect logic from religious people.
     
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    Well you can expect it from liberal religious people

    Damn why do i have to so politically correct! lol

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    A religious person who condemns homosexuality can be defined as a hypocrite plain and simple. I know religious people who let premarital sex, porn among other things slide while condemning homosexuality. It makes their argument no matter what it is completely invalid. I may believe in freedom of speech and only a loud movement of pro gay christians and pro gay rights christians can silence the stupidty of anti gay christens.
     
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    I know this is an old thread, but this is a very interesting topic.

    Yes, I do sometimes see people say things like that, and there are many problems with it.

    1. Equating homosexuals to murders is not "progress" in any sense. In essence, saying that "homosexuality is just another sin, like murder" as a reason to not single out homosexuals is no different than the people who want to equate homosexuals with other people who are not going to be able to go to heaven. It's the same argument, in other words. And they don't realize it.
    2. Secondly, there's a problem with "all sins are equal" since that is refuted by the Bible, as blasphemy of the spirit is an unforgivable sin, thus all sins are not equal and some are worse than others.
    3. Thirdly, the idea that homosexuality is permissible as a Christian simply because "we all sin" is a bad argument because Jesus calls us to "sin no more", therefore it's not okay to simply say "well, I can be gay even though it's a sin since we all sin". Your argument is going to have to be that homosexuality is not a sin, otherwise this logic fails.

    On the other hand, however, there is some point to the quote, because there are those who try to single out homosexuality as an especially heinous sin. If you do believe that it's a sin, there isn't really any justification for believing that it's worse than any other sin. Although I did meet someone who tried to argue that homosexuality was worse than murder because homosexuals are said to be "given up by God" in Romans 1. I.e. that God has given up on homosexuals, but murderers still have a shot at redemption. Yes, this was a real argument from a Christian man I met online.
     
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    When I was Catholic... The ruling thumb was that if you acted upon homosexual urges, it was sin. I was taught that if you succumbed to the sin, it's like any other sin, you messed up, and you ask for forgiveness. Like Tennyson said: the only "unforgivable" sin is against the spirit. Well, I figured that if you lived an active homosexual life then you'd basically be shooting god the middle finger 24/7 so yeah.... That's disrespect if I've seen it.

    Anywho, that's all in the past... And good riddance too.

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