Why do people STILL claim "being gay = unnatural"?

These arguments are so stupid and pointless, people should have stopped using them years ago.
That all.

To me everything that happens IS NATURAL, if it wasn't IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN AT ALL!

 

The problem is that you can't solve homophobia with rational arguments.(except in some interesting cases...but that's another topic entirely)
That's all there really is to say.

 

I think that this is called the Naturalistic Fallacy. How natural something is has nothing to do with how good or bad it is. And in this case, homosexuality is by definition natural. If everything unnatural was bad, we would stop driving cars, using smartphones and sleeping on beds.

 

I think the root of all of this is that people don't experience it themselves, and they think it's gross.


I'm not saying I feel that way (OBVIOUSLY I DON'T),but I like to think about it from the opposite point of view. I don't get heterosexuality. It's not my thing, and yes, I do deep down feel a little bit "ew" whenever I see straight couples being all "in need of a room".

But we need to accept that heterosexuals are a decent portion of the population, and we need to not only accept them for who they are, but come to truly love and cherish them as individuals who can really make the world a better place.

 

Saying something is bad because it is unnatural is a logical fallacy.

 

Those people who say this are a product of their oppressive environments in which even they suffer nd are too afraid/oblivious to challenge. We're going to go ahead and be gay, anyway.

 

I don't think its unnatural, but there valid arguments for it being abnormal when it comes to human behavior
Personally I don't care. Its who I am and it makes me happy most of the time.

 

We could talk about The Heterosexual Matrix as a cause of this. (By Judith Butler)

The Heterosexual Matrix is a model of clear genders/sexes, which assumes that culturally understandable bodies must have solid sexes as their base.
Bodies are not understandable in themselves, but our culture creates understandable bodies through The Heterosexual Matrix. This requires an order of gender with two clear identifiable genders/sexes: one womanly/feminine and one manly/masculine.
These two genders/sexes are identified as each other's opposites and are hierarchically defined through an obligatory heterosexuality.

Just some Queer Theory.


A denaturalization doesn't equal a dethronement though.

 

correct, it is certainly natural.

 

Well now, be careful. You're in danger of sounding like you're saying "it's ok to be gay...just don't engage in anal sex, 'cause that's unnatural."

The fact is that for centuries (millennia?), men had anal sex with women as a means of birth control. Many still do (whether as birth control, or for other reasons). They also had anal sex with men, with no stigma attached. I also doubt we're the only species in which males do this. But either way...people just need to get over their personal ick factors and consider history.

That's because most men lack sufficient understanding of female anatomy, female sexual response, and female inclinations to have a clue about what we do together.

 

Dogs have always done anal on each other. sometimes the dog on bottom is good with it, sometimes the dog on top gets a trip the animal hospital. But either way, its natural.
Hell, my dog licks is own winky, for hours, in front of me,,,, I think its his way of showing off, the little bastard. keeps it up and Im getting that cut off him too... lick that MF.

 

Hah, to pass Darwinism, you need to be able to survive and reproduce. Some people think it's unnatural because we don't reproduce and "the parts don't function properly". Aquinas actually supported this argument when deeming homosexuality as somthing out of accordance with nature. Unfortunately if you are religious and pious to the church, this is reality. When you examine things outside the box, you find that nature is just nature, so whatever flies, goes. The story of my life

 

If nature was predictable all of the time, we never would have evolved in the first place.
I doubt life would even have been here for that matter. come to think of it, here might not be here if nature was predictable and followed mans rules of physics.

 

Like they never drove the wrong way down a one way street....
or, I bet most of the guys that think gay anal is gross, would jump at the chance to have anal with some hot chick from a porn movie.

 

Either you're missing my point, or you're simply focusing on the wrong part of your argument. Sure, unimaginative people think that (a) being a gay man automatically means having sex with other men; and (b) said sex must necessarily amount to anal intercourse. You almost can't blame them for those assumptions...most of the people making them are straight and have little imagination.

What you should be baffled by is why anal sex is considered unnatural by them. Or at least why same-sex anal sex is unnatural. Then again, these are the same people who consider a sexuality found in virtually all species to be unnatural. So maybe they just have even less imagination than we think?

What I was trying to say is that your argument of "Why is it unnatural? It doesn't *have* to imply anal intercourse!" basically suggests that *you* think anal intercourse is unnatural. I presume you don't; but I could be wrong about that.

 

Because they don't have any other argument other than what they're religion says. Now, I don't mean to bring up religion in such a way that would make others thing that I feel every religious person is like this, definitely not. What I mean is that there are people who will use their religion as an excuse to hate because they believe that if everyone thinks that it's just their beliefs, it'll be okay and left alone.. but this isn't the case.

What these people need to.. not so much understand...but to admit, is that it's not unnatural, it's just that they just don't like it.