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  1. Simple Thoughts

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oACng87P9I0

    Has anyone heard about this?

    I just stumbled upon this video in my subscription feed.

    I found the whole thing interesting, and I'm curious to get the thoughts of others on here about this whole situation.
     
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    I heard about this story when it broke from much more unbiased sources. I'll be frank in saying that I have serious issues with that Youtube channel in general and the atmosphere that it creates.

    Pharmaceuticals is by far the most complicated and confusing commercial field out there. Without a doubt our most important commercial field, but it is an extremely difficult field to manage. Every single day something new is being created and corporations are attempting to receive approval on various types of products. Recently, I just switched brands of almond milk because of some uncertainty in the research surrounding a specific unnecessary ingredient in the brand that I often purchased. And that is simply milk!

    Drugs with low probabilities of success hit the shelves every day through corporations pressuring government agencies. It is not simply pharmaceuticals or food products either. It is brands of water claiming to be pure spring water that are from filthy pipes in Minnesota. It is electronic companies. It is gasoline and oil. These things happen every day. While it is clear that the corporation backing this drug used feminism as a method to draw the media to this story, the idea that the feminists overpowered our government and allowed for the approval of this sub-par drug" is ridiculous when this happens literally every day. Not to mention, Viagra itself was certainly not what it is today when it was first released. The health scares surrounding that drug hitting the market were insane.

    The bottom line is that the makers of this drug definitely played into the feminist belief that there is a degree of bias in the way that we market sexual products and medication exclusively towards men and the lack of products on the market for women into campaigning for their drug. However, the argument that was being made is still valid regardless of the controversy surrounding this specific drug. If feminists created this issue and truly paved the way for the release of this drug, then we wouldn't be seeing this same battle between the FDA and corporations every single day about drugs that we have in our medicine cabinets right now.

    There is an unquestionable lack of attention being given to creating drugs for women suffering with libido complications because we live in this society that says that women don't even really care for sex anyway. When you think about the fact that we actually live in a culture where a women receiving an organism in a heterosexual interaction is considered rare and men are considered talented for simply taking the time to make sure that their female partners are satisfied. Our culture bias does seep into what topics we tackle in commercial medicine and that is a valid argument regardless of whether a corporation tried to ride the coattails of it in this specific case.
     
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    Interesting thoughts.


    Yeah sure pharmaceutical companies do have a tendency to get away with quite a lot. I don't think it really excuses major feminist campaigns from pushing for a drug that they couldn't be bothered to do any research into. I think you should be aware of the things you're trying to push before you push them.

    I think the great irony is that when you really listen to the sideeffects of this drug it's the perfect recipe for daterape. There is a certain irony to that.



    Also that attitude about female sexuality is dying. Between several things I've seen on t.v., Magic Mike, and 50 shades of Gray I think it's safe to say that the public concious is becoming more and more aware of the female sex drive.
     
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    We've acknowledge that women experience sexual attraction and desire, but we are far from treating female sexual satisfaction as though it is even slightly as important to male satisfaction. Sure, women want to have sex, but they receive satisfaction by pleasing men. That sentiment is far too ingrained in our culture and media for a few movies to minimize.

    Now, I have no doubt that drug will likely only have the effects of a placebo, but the side efforts of that drug are no greater than what you would find on the most popular allergy medication.

    Feminist organizations around the country did not dig up this drug out of nowhere and decide to campaign for it. They campaigned for the sentiment behind introducing more of this kind of medication. The question of whether is was this miracle drug is irrelevant because that is simply not the state of pharmaceuticals these days. If we expected Viagra to be a miracle drug when it hit the shelves than it would certainly not still be on those shelves today because Viagra was controversial in the medical community for years.

    Ultimately, the point is that there is a difference between say that "all women need to take this drug to empower themselves because men have a version of it" and saying that "we support the work that is being done here and expect corporations and agencies to start paying attention to female libido medication regardless of whether the results are where they need to be at this time". While I feel that most women were arguing the latter, many choose to make it a matter of the former to make what they were saying seem them seem ridiculous. Most people have a general understanding that half of the stuff that they grab off the shelves likely won't work and even the stuff that will has dozens of terrifying potential side effects. That is the market we live in.
     
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    No...

    Just no...

    The side effects are not just "like allergy medicine" The side effects involve somnolence and in nearly all cases of being mixed with alcohol passing out. This drug mixed into someone's drink will knock them out.

    It's a lot different than just 'drowsiness' which is also one of the side effects.


    This drug has almost no effect. If you're one of the lucky women on this drug you'll experience 1 more sexually satisfying experience per month ( if you're lucky ), and it comes with a butt load of side effects. It should not be on shelves even as a symbolic gesture. It's not a safe product and will do far more harm than good to women.
     
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    You do realize those are not uncommon side effects and include the vast majority of medication that targets the heart, nervous system, or brain. Mixing most serious medication with alcohol is extremely dangerous.

    You might have taken that statement to mean "Oh, it probably doesn't even have an serious potential side effects", when I was saying the opposite. One of the most popular anti-acne medications on the market requires the teenagers be watched closely on behalf of the potential side effect of hormone induced depression and potential suicidal thoughts. It has also been linked to miscarriages so many times that women are meant to be screened for . An cream for acne and blemishes.

    I am not downplaying anything. I am saying that potentially dangerous side effects are unfortunately the norm of the modern drug industry. The fine print on the drugs that we grab on whims tells some terrifying information; however, these side effects have never stop drugs from hitting the market. Should it be on the market? Probably not. But it certainly wasn't the pressure of feminists that put it there. It terms of what is currently on the market it is just not shocking.

    I am not saying that it should be on the market. I am saying that women making the argument that there is a need for drugs such as this on the market is not the same as supporting poor medicine or knowing nothing about science such as that video suggests. The controversy surrounding this drug is being used to invalidate the argument that we need drugs such as this on the market and the existence of bias in commercial drugs completely. "Look at what the foolish feminists have done. The drug doesn't even work that well." When the argument being made is valid regardless of whether this is the golden drug.
     
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    The problem there is that this is the drug they picked. They chose this drug to parade around and ram through the FDA. This drug had been rejected by the FDA and for whatever reason some feminists groups picked it up and the drug company decided to run with the 'feminist' tilt and they forced it into production.

    Now there are commercials about this drug and how "wonderful" it is, many sighting it as a feminist victory, and I guarantee you if you talked to any of these feminists who pushed this drug through about how bad this drug actually is they'd either dance around the issue or accuse you of misogny before ever admitting to the fact this drug was harmful.


    Yes, the pharmaceutical industry is a giant joke and a huge mess that needs looked into, but that doesn't create some kind of shield for the feminists who were trying to get this drug passed.

    They aren't part of that industry, and they played a hand in this drugs existence in the market place. They are responsible for whatever happens with this drug because they pushed for it to be there.


    Does that absolve the pharmacetical folk from responsiblity? HELL NO! They are also responsible because they alllowed this to happen and took part in it.


    I find it funny btw you keep trying to downplay the video because the first half of the video he's using academic resources and studies to illustrate what the drug is and what it does, and then in the later half he's explaining what part feminism played in putting the drugs on the market, and he even explains just why it is that there are so many options for men in terms viagra type drugs, but not women.

    Not everything comes down to sexism you know. Sometimes it comes down to the fact that the version men go through and the version women go through with this particular issue are entirely different things. For women it involves altering their brain chemistry, with men you usually just have to adjust the blood flow a little bit. One of those things is always going to be a million times easier to do.

    Plus I'd love to hear your thoughts about contraceptives given the video also took a moment to point out the vast majority of contraceptive options availabe for women over men, and then talked aobut how they were working on a contraceptive pill for men and feminists tried and stopped it from happening actively campaigning agianst that?


    Biologically speaking their are difference between men and women. Because of that we tend to have diffferent needs medically even if the symptoms of the condition are similiar. Sometimes it's simply going to be the case that it'll take more time to make one type of drug than another.
     
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    This stuff is a complete crock.

    The effectiveness, from the article I read, is 15-30%. That means it will not work for the majority of people who use it.

    From Wikipedia:

    The side effect list is a mile long (as it is for Viagra and Cialis and most other drugs.)

    It's essentially a bullshit way for drug companies to cash in on the natural desire to have better sex.

    Women (and men) could have much, much better results, for free, without any side effects or long-term health risks, simply developing a mindfulness and self-meditation practice focused on enhancing their sexual experiences.
     
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    Nothing personal because I do usually respect your opinion, buuuut...

    I'm gonna go with the FDA study and the academic papers over a wiki article ^^"

    Please don't take that as an offense, I honestly don't mean it to be
     
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    Oh, believe me, I don't consider Wikipedia a credible source for much of anything.

    What I wrote was based on having read a copy of the PDR package insert (the disclosure that the drug manufactuer must, by law, provide with every prescription drug) along with a scholarly critique I read a week or two ago. I didn't have the citations to those articles handy, so I went for the Wikipedia quote on efficacy. (And also because, for the average EC reader, it's probably a lot easier to interpret what's written on Wikipedia than what's in the clinical article.)

    The Wikipedia efficacy information was taken from the actual source document published by the FDA. The sections that have to do with dose efficacy are pages 19-22 and 30-38. If you read it carefully, the data in it actually makes the Wikipedia article look generous by comparison. Additionally, unlike Viagra, Cialis and Levitra, which are dose-specific to sexual activity, Flibanserin must be taken daily. A lot more possibility of liver toxicity and other side effects when you're taking something every day than when you're taking it occasionally and right before sex.

    I stand by my original comment. This product is a complete crock.
     
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    I thought this was already a thing. I remember seeing commercials for something called Zestra, which was some weird oil that she can put on her intimate parts that increases sensation.
     
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    Oh.

    I thought you were defending the product. XD

    No this product is total garbage. I think people have a bad tendancy to see what they wanna see and so they'll champion things they probably shouldn't be. I feel like the motto shouldn't be "Let's get something through, even if it sucks we just need to get something" that's a terrible mantle to hold. ya know?

    ---------- Post added 5th Sep 2015 at 11:30 PM ----------

    I don't remember the name, but this drug treats an issue with women that lowers their sex drive altogether.