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When in doubt use "they?"

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  1. Kodo

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    Wanted to get a quick opinion from you guys... Would you say that it's the proper thing to do, when you are in doubt of someone's gender (or they are a non-binary), to use the pronouns "they/them?"

    I find that it's an easy go to, especially since there isn't a universally accepted third gender pronoun in English.

    If not this, what would be better (as I'm sure we all know "it" is never acceptable)?
     
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    "They" can be confusing when used outside certain circles, and can also be a blow to the identity and self-esteem of those who are not non-binary, but due to circumstances have a gender presentation that's ambiguous (e.g. transwomen, transmen). That said, sometimes there are few alternatives.

    I was raised in a gendered culture where "ma'am" and "sir" are commonly used and I always have trouble when I'm speaking to a person whose gender is not clear (obviously in a situation where I don't know the person, like a cashier). If I say "thank you," I always automatically add "sir"/"ma'am," but a wrench is thrown in the plan when they don't "appear" one or the other gender. I look for clues but sometimes I very awkwardly avoid recognizing them as one gender, and awkwardly just say "yes"/"no"/"thank you," without "ma'am"/"sir." It may sound weird but I find it hard not to use those words.
     
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    I use "He" or "She". I'm an old school grammar nazi, and "they" is confusing and refers to more than one person.
     
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    I actually find myself using 'they' even if I am not confused with someones gender, it's just a natural habit to me.

    Example: "They're going to be late." Even when I am talking about 1 person.
     
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    Substitute name if you know their name, otherwise, singular "they" is acceptable, at least for me. The matter is still debated very often. As we move on as a society and gender neutrality permeates more aspects of life, there might finally be a day where we has an official word for a non-gender-specific third person noun.

    Though, it probably only matter on publications only, and in common usage, however you want to say it is your own business.
     
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    "They" implies plural, and it is hard to adjust to that. I would be willing to use "they" if I knew a GQ or agender person though.
     
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    What about "it?" It's singular, albeit for an object not a person.
     
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    I use their name if I am uncertain! :slight_smile: It seems to work well
     
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    Same here. Although I don't find it confusing as people usually know what you mean, it is technically incorrect and I try to avoid the degradation of our beautiful language. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

    I do wish we had some gender-neutral pronoun though. In lieu of one, "they" works well enough for most cases where "he or she" is too cumbersome.
     
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    I think most people would be offended to be referred to as 'it' - particularly if they are transgender.
     
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    I avoid pronouns until I know, or I follow other people's cue. I think "they" can get confusing pretty quickly... and there is no gender-neutral "they" in France anyway.
     
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    I don't think comparing a person with an object(which we use the "it" pronoun) is appropriate.
     
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    I understand it's rather insensitive, but there are no viable alternatives to "they," which is the best we have (although there is even a basis for a singular "they"). One could almost say that there is an erasure issue that all people who are non-binary and communicate in a language without gender-neutral pronouns intrinsically face.
     
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    If I'm not sure the actual gender of a person I'm talking about I'll use they, mainly when I'm talking about Gintama and Yagyuu Kyuubei. I've always presumed it's the most correct thing to say.
     
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    I've always used "they" for ambiguous parties even before I knew anything about the LGBTQ+ community, and I've continued to use it since.

    Also, there are a fair number of nonbinary people who are comfortable with usage of "it", but it can be incredibly demeaning if they aren't so I would stay away from it unless you're explicitly told to use it.
     
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    Just gonna add my opinion here, as an NB person, most of us prefer "they/them/their". "It" is a pretty offensive term to use. Don't use it.
     
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    It seems to me that singular "they" is beginning to catch on, for two reasons.

    1) Because of the influence of the feminist movement, the idea that a hypothetical person's gender is assumed to be male seems outdated, and "he/she" in place of singular "they" is not at all elegant.

    2) Nonbinary people who might prefer the singular "they" as their pronoun are becoming increasingly accepted by Western society.

    Maybe in a decade or so, singular "they" will be seen as almost universally correct.
     
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    It's become a habit for me, even if people give me weird looks. Better safe than sorry, right?

    Regarding grammar, it's always changing. Plenty of rules wouldn't have made sense centuries ago.
     
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    I generally use they if I don't have a better alternative, although I will admit that it can feel somewhat awkward when referring to a single person.
     
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    I want to say that "they" certainly is a proper pronoun to use on one person. It's both the 3rd person plural (for M/F/N), and it's a 3rd person singular pronoun (for N, in some cases). There's also "one", generic "he", as well as "it", and "who". Literally it's been in use for hundreds of years as a neutral pronoun.

    My boyfriend, when he knows he can't address me as a female, always says "Well this one doesn't even like bacon!", or "I don't think "that one" would like it". It's pretty ambiguous, although maybe a bit weird if you use it too much.

    I personally don't have a problem with being called "they" when it's understandable that you don't know. After you ask me or I tell you, I prefer it not. I would say to always use "they" when you don't know, but I'm sure some disagree.