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15th Jan 2009, 07:23 PM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17487.html

Waterboarding? Torture?

O.O

Who'da thunk it!

Swamp56 · 15th Jan 2009, 07:26 PM

...is ok when in situations of national security.

If they are found innocent after the water boarding, then we aren't doing our jobs right now. I only agree when the person clearly is guilty and to extract information.

Wander · 15th Jan 2009, 09:02 PM

Just confirming what everyone else already knew.

starfish · 15th Jan 2009, 09:27 PM

I just can not believe that someone would think otherwise.

I have no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot the Bush administration would be the first to cry torture.

Wander · 15th Jan 2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starfish

I just can not believe that someone would think otherwise.

I have no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot the Bush administration would be the first to cry torture.

Teehee

gaius · 16th Jan 2009, 03:35 AM

i can't condone torture, not on any moral grounds, but a person who is suffering will say allmost anything too make it stop, the information gained in this way is therefore completely unreliable

TheMusicMan · 16th Jan 2009, 03:44 AM

Christopher Hitchens' account on waterboarding might be of interest to those reading this thread:

+ YouTube Video

(The full article he wrote on the subject can be read on Vanity Fair's website here.)

Peter · 16th Jan 2009, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swamp56

...is ok when in situations of national security.

If they are found innocent after the water boarding, then we aren't doing our jobs right now. I only agree when the person clearly is guilty and to extract information.

This is the same principle used by the Spanish Inquisition before putting people on the rack. Once you have been tortured, you will admit your guilt to make it stop, hence nobody is found innocent after waterboarding.

beckyg · 16th Jan 2009, 07:11 AM

Its definitely torture!

16th Jan 2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swamp56

...is ok when in situations of national security.

If they are found innocent after the water boarding, then we aren't doing our jobs right now. I only agree when the person clearly is guilty and to extract information.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure they don't use waterboarding unless the person is "clearly guilty." So yes, they wouldn't be doing their jobs right, but there are always going to be incorrect cases like that.

TheRoof · 16th Jan 2009, 02:33 PM

im sorry but waterboarding is just WRONG.
seriously, how can u do that to another human being?
torture should not be accepted-and its proven that torturing someone
won't bring out the real information becuz the tortured person would
just say false info to stop the torture!

15th Jan 2009, 07:23 PM	#1
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15th Jan 2009, 07:26 PM	#2
Swamp56 EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Boston, MA Age: 21 Posts: 2,166 Join Date: Aug 2008	Re: "Waterboarding is torture" ...is ok when in situations of national security. If they are found innocent after the water boarding, then we aren't doing our jobs right now. I only agree when the person clearly is guilty and to extract information. __________________

15th Jan 2009, 09:02 PM	#3
Wander Banned Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Parents, aunts, grandma, counselor, online friends Location: Central Alabama Age: 18 Posts: 2,360 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: "Waterboarding is torture" Just confirming what everyone else already knew.

15th Jan 2009, 09:27 PM	#4
starfish This space for lease. Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: I like guys Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Hippie Town, Alberta of the US Age: 31 Posts: 2,108 Join Date: Nov 2008	Re: "Waterboarding is torture" I just can not believe that someone would think otherwise. I have no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot the Bush administration would be the first to cry torture. __________________ All the problems of the world could be settled easily if men were only willing to think. The trouble is that men very often resort to all sorts of devices in order not to think, because thinking is such hard work. --Thomas J. Watson

16th Jan 2009, 03:35 AM	#6
gaius EC's Geordie Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: bi/gay Out Status: Out to friends, family and anyone who wants to kno Location: Lancaster University Age: 22 Posts: 397 Join Date: Dec 2008	Re: "Waterboarding is torture" i can't condone torture, not on any moral grounds, but a person who is suffering will say allmost anything too make it stop, the information gained in this way is therefore completely unreliable __________________ "Life happens without warning"

16th Jan 2009, 07:11 AM	#9
beckyg PFLAG Mom Community Liaison Gender: Female Orientation: Straight Out Status: Out to everyone/Yes, parents come out too! Location: Middle of Oregon Age: 50 Posts: 7,572 Join Date: Mar 2007	Re: "Waterboarding is torture" Its definitely torture! __________________ "When we're free to love anyone we choose, When this worlds big enough for all different views, When we're all free to worship from our own kind of pew, Then we shall be free" ~ Garth Brooks

16th Jan 2009, 02:33 PM	#11
TheRoof True Blue Full Member Gender: genderqueer Orientation: I like who I like. Location: NY Age: 20 Posts: 1,452 Join Date: Nov 2008	Re: "Waterboarding is torture" im sorry but waterboarding is just WRONG. seriously, how can u do that to another human being? torture should not be accepted-and its proven that torturing someone won't bring out the real information becuz the tortured person would just say false info to stop the torture! __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. -Diane Arbus-