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Is Everyone Bisexual? (The Choice of Sexuality)

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    This seems to be a fairly hot topic here on EC, and one that I've been thinking about much lately after a long, fascinating conversation with my much older bisexual cousin, who believes that everyone is bisexual and society shapes a person.

    My own beliefs seem to be a mix of both sides, though I'm still wondering about the whole thing and these aren't necessarily set in stone. I think that people are predispositioned to be of a sexuality, and that they choose whether or not to accept themselves.

    What are all your thoughts on the matter? As always, discussion is encouraged but rude fighting isn't okay. Be respectful!
     
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    "Society shapes a person"

    If this were true, then people would be able to change gay people straight, and straight people gay ... of which the first one we know wasn't able to happen, and hopefully the latter never will.

    According to the kinsey report only 10% of people are completely homosexual, and 10% of people are completely heterosexual, the other 80% are in between. But this is limited by the amount of people they studied.

    I do think it's possible for a straight person to be in a gay relationship by choice, and a gay person to be in a straight relationship by choice, but that doesn't change their sexuality.
     
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    I just think that people are bi either because theyre still unsure, or they actually can feel attracted to both men and women. Like in the greek ages, people didnt really think about a sexual orientation like the western countreis did. I think bi people are more open to the idea ofbeing in a relationship with the same sex. I also think, because of the way society works, people dont want to be open bout it anymore or think about it, because they dont want to be judged. This is just what I think so hahahh.
     
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    I've been thinking of making a thread like this as well, but I chickened out because I didn't know how to not make it a minefield. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: Anyway, thanks for doing it. Hmm, now, let's see...

    I think that sexuality is naturally fluid; though that fluidity varies from person to person (overall fluidity) and from time to time (era; different stages in a person's life; constantly fluctuating). That includes that the subject of one's desires ought to fluctuate. However, I do believe that there is a component of people having their desires concentrated on a specific gendered group. People with a very high concentration of their attraction toward a certain group are thus labelled heterosexual or homosexual respectively. But this is further complicated by that, I believe, gender is naturally a fluid phenomenon just like sexuality.

    So... Why are so many people straight or gay, on the binary like that? I think that has to do a lot with conditioning. I'm not saying that everyone would be bi were it not for conditioning; but I'm saying the concentration of bisexuality would be higher.
    I believe that a lot of people never explore their homosexual side because of heteronormativity; it's more beneficial for them and their close ones when taking the relativity of society into account, to simply not mind their homosexual side. And it's similar with homosexuals, I think; especially one thing that comes to mind is convenience. Bisexuality can be a confusing label to carry in this day and age, so they act instead only on their homosexual side and ignore their heterosexual impulses.

    The above is very sketchy, and there are probably gaps in it.

    In the end it comes down to concentration, I believe; if one is innately 90% hetero- or homosexual, is it relevant to bring up the rest of the 10%? Well, for a lot of people in our society now, I'd say no.
    But I believe that Kinsey 0s and Kinsey 6s are more rare among homo sapiens without social conditioning, and that Kinsey 2s-Kinsey4s are more common, compared to our society today.
    As I said also, though, I believe gender to be more fluid naturally than it is in our society today. Therefore I would say, more or less, that almost everyone is pansexual; it's just often not relevant to bring up their attraction toward any more than one gender.
     
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    I personally thonk that at some point in there life people are curious about a relationship with someone of the same sex. Someone I work with is curious but says they could never see themselves in a relationship with another girl. And I am bisexual in a same sex relationship
     
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    I've always thought that nobody can be 100% straight and that that has to apply to homosexuality too. Nobody can be 100% gay. So that kind of makes everyone at least 1% bisexual or pan or some other orientation attracted to more than one gender. Still I think that labels can't be forced on anyone and everyone can label themselves whatever they see fit and no one has a right to try to correct them. :slight_smile:
     
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    tl;dr


    Simple answer: Nope.
     
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    Self-evidently, no.
     
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    Nah, I don't think literally everyone is bi.

    I think a lot more people have the potential capability to experience attraction (be it romantic or sexual or both) to the same gender than everyone thinks - there are probably a lot of people walking around who've just never even considered it as a possibility!

    But in short, no, I don't think everyone is bi. There are plenty of people who are exclusively attracted to the same or the "opposite" gender and will never feel otherwise.
     
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    Um, no? Seriously, whoever says everyone is bisexual is inconsiderate and full of themselves. I don't even see a point to discuss this.
     
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    Then don't? The point, I think, is that this isn't a yes or no question, it's more complicated than that and opens up for a discussion on sexuality. If someone were to say that everyone is a Kinsey 3, yes, that would be ridiculous. But this question leads into other questions about for example dormant homosexuality.
     
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    Because history is cyclical, this topic has been discussed before and it will be brought up again. Invidia has a point though, we've had cases of straight people developing same sex desires at some point of their life, and even gay people with their opposite sex. Dormant heterosexuality? :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

    I'm definitely gay, even if I do find some women hot.

    Long answer to the thread's title: Nooooooooooooooope
     
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    This is a yes/no question and the answer is no.
     
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    You clearly haven't met one girl I know. Truth or dare couple years ago, we asked her if she'd rather make out with a hot girl or an old man. She picked old man. Keep in mind like half our group was queer and there'd be no judgement at all. Straightest person I've ever met, honestly.
     
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    Not this again.
    It is both biphobic and homophobic.

    Society shapes people, sure, but it cannot shape your intrinsic neurological responses.


    As a gay woman I was 'shaped' into a behaviourally straight person from a very early age, but all I could do was to force myself to blank out the fact that I don't have the capacity for full sexual responses to men, as I do to women.

    The neurological response is something I cannot control, as it happens before thought sets in.

    I could be 'behaviourally straight', but it felt forced, and I was never an actual bisexual: a person who is capable of full sexual, emotional responses to both.

    The only 'choice' I had in matters of sexuality is that I could 'choose' to ignore/deny my natural responses. This is how denial works.

    I just find the 'everyone is bisexual' line so tiresome and it makes me really angry, because in my own experience it often results in keeping us in denial for longer.

    In my experience 'everyone is bisexual' is used by 'militant bisexuals' and those who don't believe that gay/bi people exist, alike.

    Bisexuals who for some reason believe that 'everyone should be bisexual, because being bi is so great! , and if you are not bi, you are 'close minded''

    and straight people who believe that: 'everybody just likes sex with anyone, being gay is not a real thing, it is just choosing to pursue perversion of its own sake, everyone can be like that, if they are not careful and avoid temptation'.
     
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    From first hand experience I am able to tell you that this is not the case. Perhaps there are a large group of people that think of themselves as heterosexual/homosexual but have a small amount of attraction for people of the same/opposite sex but this is certainly not true of everyone who thinks of themselves as heterosexual/homosexual. At the very least I have no sexual attraction to females.

    Maybe in actual fact my sexuality is more fluid than it seems to be and in 10 years time I may feel sexual attraction to someone of the opposite sex, however I highly doubt that and until that point in time I can confirm that not every single person in the world is bisexual.

    TL DR:
    No, not everyone is bisexual.
     
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    I totally agree with this. Although my late same sex partner dated some guys before coming out, it was only because it seemed forced on her due to what her family and society would think about her having desire for women instead of men. Her desire for the same sex felt normal and natural to her, and she had none of that for men.
    My BF feels the same way about being heterosexual. Although he has nothing against someone else having desire for the same sex, for him personally he cannot just choose to be with a guy sexually.

    Although I have a full relationship with my BF, every other successful relationship I've had has only been with other women. So even though I'm technically bisexual, I have a preference for women. Despite this, I too was told at an early age to behave a certain way, because this is "normal" and that is "abnormal, wrong, sinful" etc. I was even told once that how you naturally felt didn't matter, that homosexuality is a sin, and God wants you to not act on those feelings, and to either be straight or celibate if you absolutely couldn't live a lie because that's what "God" wants. The preacher tried to equate homosexuality with assault. He said that if you get angry at someone, it might feel natural and normal to want to strike them, but you don't do it because you know it's wrong, and a sin. (irregardless of it being illegal also) :rolle: This kind of crap and societal pressure really screw up people sometimes when they're trying to figure out what they are. I suspect that there are a few people who might think of themselves as bisexual if asked, but in actuality are really either gay or straight because of some external shaping.

    Some bisexuals have an even preference, or have a preference for the opposite. Just because their are different preferences among bisexuals though doesn't mean that everyone else is bisexual.
     
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    I don't think everyone's bisexual personally because I know girls who have never been attracted to another girl, and I've never been attracted to a guy. I think there are a few extremes where a person is completely gay or straight.
     
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    No. This is something certain bisexuals really need to stop saying. It's setting us all back. And it pisses me off to see it come up time and time again.

    It could be that many more people are flexible in their desires than those that realize it, or are willing to acknowledge it. I do think maybe as much of 30% of people who identify as gay, did have some emotional/environmental contributions in the matter, and are not as gay as they let on, based on the way they describe their attractions. But not everyone is like this, clearly. A lot of people have strong lifelong preferences. And even if they have exceptions, it's silly to define them by their exceptions.

    This also isn't really correct either, is it? Some people do experience a change. Also, and this is one thing that really irritates me, just because gay conversion camps don't work doesn't really mean anything. Obviously you're not going to change someone by "praying the gay away with jesus". But that doesn't mean there isn't an artificial way to shift someone's sexuality. I suspect in the future we'll figure out the right combination of drugs and masturbating to porn of your non preferred gender that'll do it.