Err, What am I? - Empty Closets - A safe online community for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered people coming out

NateDawg · 22nd Feb 2009, 12:40 PM

Hello,

My names Nate, I'm 19. I still live at home with my parents, brother, and sister. I've been pondering with this problem since I was about 13. Am I BI? Who knows

My entire family (intermediate, distant, etc.) are a bunch of religious people. They believe the WHOLE bible, and also thinks homosexuality is wrong and you will go to hell for it.

Unfortunately, I do not believe this. I do believe what the bible has to say, but I also know for a fact the bible was written by man. This day in time, the old testament of the bible doesn't really mean much of anything anymore as stoning your children would be abuse now and the old testament was written before Jesus was born, lol... I know I'm 19, I should know this, but I don't. (I guess I'm... I don't know)...

I have been overweight my entire life. I was always made fun of in school, never popular. I was and still am a very very SHY person. (I'm a scared big fella i guess)

I struggle everyday with my overweightness wondering if it would be different if I were "in shape". I don't know if what i feel is true or not. I do like girls, but there's something about guy's that get to me. I guess it's the nice abs and how they're built. (not everyone of course). I can't help but think if I were "in shape" if I would feel differently. I have absolutely no self-esteem. I'm one of those people who keep to themselves and doesn't every say much at all.

I thought I would just write on here to get some ideas of what you all think.

littledinosaurs · 22nd Feb 2009, 12:44 PM

So wait do you think because you are out of shape with low self-esteem that you are bi?
and if you weren't that way then you wouldn't like boys?
cause if you think that then its most definitely not true, sexuality doesn't derive from some issue you have in your past, its just part of you when you're born.

ricoca · 22nd Feb 2009, 12:55 PM

Hi there! I'm Rico. Personally, I think there's no real definition of bisexuality. I don't say I'm gay or I'm bi but i always tell people that I am not straight

i always tell people that I can see myself in an emotional and sexual relationship with a guy, but only emotional relationship with a girl. So for me, I'd rather look for a male partner than a female one. Well of course it takes time to figure this out, but by being here, you're taking your first step towards the enlightenment! We're young, enjoy life!

My family is Catholic by religion, but I don't think my parents approve of bigotry. And I personally think the bible is up to your interpretation. Though i believe in God, I'd rather believe the all-loving God rather than the gay-hating God.

If coming out is not an option, have you considered moving out? ell i wouldn't know cause I'm not out yet to my family, but a lot of people here encourages you to come out as it will make you feel better! Let me know what you think!

About being overweight, I am too! For my entire life, though I never got any of the abuse and jokes thrown at me. I'm kinda the same way, but I think what you need is someone who actually takes the first step and talks to you FIRST. Try opening up more, open yourself a little bit of a time, and see if it makes a difference. I'm the kind who needs some "poking" before I open up myself to other people.

So welcome to EC! And make friends here! it'll help so much by talking to people in EC, they're all very helpful

LyraLissa · 22nd Feb 2009, 01:25 PM

Best of luck exploring your brain...
For awhile I wondered about who I was attracted to, and in some ways I think people can never really know. Identity isn't concrete and simple.
There are plenty of people out there who will accept and love you for whoever you are, gay, bi, straight, or anywhere in between.
And about overweightness? Those people are unbelievably shallow and missing out on a lot. However, the more open and confident you are about your identity and your appearance, the more true friends you'll find.
EC seems like a great place to start.

Hugs, Lyra

Psychedelic Bookmarks · 22nd Feb 2009, 02:03 PM

Hi, welcome

Sometimes when we have an environment around us telling us that being gay or bi is wrong, we look for any explanation as to why we might be attracted to our own sex. We think "It must just be because I feel bad about my shape" or "It must be because of my relationship with my parents" or "I'm just afraid because I've never had good friends of the opposite sex" or etc etc. We look for any reason why we have this attraction, trying to push away the thought that maybe we simply are attracted to them, just naturally, because it's a part of who we are.

Does that sound familiar to you? Could it be that you've connected the "in shape" idea to the looking at guys because it's kinda scary to admit that you just do like looking at guys anyway?

Just a thought. Hope it helps you come to some realisations.

kaster · 22nd Feb 2009, 02:49 PM

I wouldn't rush with trying to label yourself too quikly. I'm not bothering with the labels thing because I'm not sure theres one that fits me. Just roll with it, like who you like. As rico said try opening up a little bit more in every day life just a bit at a time, maybe join some clubs put yourself out there.
If you're unhappy about your weight, do something about it, try to eat a little better and maybe join a gym or go on cycles or runs on your own - gives you "me" time to think things through. Do you have a dog? take it out on walks.
Dont make it a big thing just little simple chages.
Good Luckk!
and welcome to EC! luckily everyone here just wants to help you

NateDawg · 22nd Feb 2009, 07:34 PM

Okay. Here's the thing. It's not that I think if I were in shape I would think differently, but I beleive it's just because I'm so depressed I guess you could say of how out of shape i am. I know I have to change it, but it's hard for me to do it when I have th etroubles I have physically. I'm doing ok with loosing weight a little bit at a time, but not enough like I'd like to.

As for being born this way. I don't belive it. lol... I'm sorry... I believe it's a choice we make. Yes I know others believe differently, but it's how I was raised. Sure. we can't help who we love or like, but it's our choice to show the feelings. I am not against homosexuality AT ALL. I do get grossed out at times, but lol...

I just don't know. I feel like if I was okay with my appearance I'd be a little different, or at least have more self-esteem. I am not sure. I'm 19 and should know but I don't. Like I said, my whole family are religious freaks. lol... Doing it alone is hard, and not an option to go somewhere to talk about it as we live in a SMALL town. 4 towns prolly make up a normal sized town for most people. I'm just working on my health here lately and appearance. I wanna built my self-esteem and see where it goes from there. I've never said anything like this to ANYONE as I feel insecure of sharing this information, but feel kind of safe with as many members are here and what the site is.

Here's why I think that it's just a thing going on. After watching pr0n (yes I do watch that, LOL) if it's gay porn, i get grossed out after a little bit, lol. LITTERALLY, but I keep going back.

I just don't knoe what to do from here at the moment. lol... I'm about to go insane.

Jeimuzu · 22nd Feb 2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ConfusedDude

Hello,

My names Nate, I'm 19. I still live at home with my parents, brother, and sister. I've been pondering with this problem since I was about 13. Am I BI? Who knows

My entire family (intermediate, distant, etc.) are a bunch of religious people. They believe the WHOLE bible, and also thinks homosexuality is wrong and you will go to hell for it.

Unfortunately, I do not believe this. I do believe what the bible has to say, but I also know for a fact the bible was written by man. This day in time, the old testament of the bible doesn't really mean much of anything anymore as stoning your children would be abuse now and the old testament was written before Jesus was born, lol... I know I'm 19, I should know this, but I don't. (I guess I'm... I don't know)...

I have been overweight my entire life. I was always made fun of in school, never popular. I was and still am a very very SHY person. (I'm a scared big fella i guess)

I struggle everyday with my overweightness wondering if it would be different if I were "in shape". I don't know if what i feel is true or not. I do like girls, but there's something about guy's that get to me. I guess it's the nice abs and how they're built. (not everyone of course). I can't help but think if I were "in shape" if I would feel differently. I have absolutely no self-esteem. I'm one of those people who keep to themselves and doesn't every say much at all.

I thought I would just write on here to get some ideas of what you all think.

Get yourself in shape, bud. I was like that back in the day, I was overweight and now I'm not. I'm not in shape, but I'm certainly not fat. It took me three months of work... three months to counter the problem that had dogged me from about 6 years old till I was 19. 13 years, countered by three months. You can do it. =]

NateDawg · 22nd Feb 2009, 08:47 PM

Yea. I get inspiration from the tv show the biggest loser. lol... All my life ive been big doesn't take much to get it off except for a lifestyle change, lol..

starfish · 22nd Feb 2009, 09:37 PM

Holy crap dude. It is like my 19 year old self got into a time machine, came to the future and wrote that post.

I have been overweight ever since I was a teenager. There was a time when I dismissed my homosexual feelings as envy. I would see a cute guy and think oh I want that body. So last year I decided to preform an experiment. I bought a bicycle and started riding it. I lost about 15 pounds and started feeling better about my self. Then I started to realize something. It was not envy I was feeling, it was genuine sexual attraction.

As for the porn thing. Same thing happened to me. Especially when I would watch the anal sex scene. I would watch it, but delete it later as I felt guilty. Now though I have no shame in watching gay porn. In fact I am of the opinion that it is the best kind. Because you get to see 2 people you are attracted to having sex.

As for your family believing the whole bible, I'm going to disagree with you on that topic. If they truly think you will go to hell for being gay then there are is quite a bit of the bible they have not read. Recently I have read some parts of the Bible and it is not the same Bible I remember hearing about as a teenager. It seems folks tend the skip over the parts of the old rules no longer applying and not judging others. Romans 14 makes that pretty clear. Plus you know what Jesus said about homosexuality. Nothing, he didn't say anything about it. If it was such a big deal that it would send you to hell and invalidate your salvation one would expect him to have said something about it.

My advice is to skip the labels for now and just run with it. See what happens.

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Originally Posted by ConfusedDude

As for being born this way. I don't belive it. lol... I'm sorry... I believe it's a choice we make. Yes I know others believe differently, but it's how I was raised. Sure. we can't help who we love or like, but it's our choice to show the feelings. I am not against homosexuality AT ALL. I do get grossed out at times, but lol...

You seem to be saying you believe that sexual orientation is an innate trait, but that we choose weather we want to act on it. Ok ... I'll give you that. The hardest part of my coming out was over coming my own internal homophobia. I used to think I just needed to cut off that part of my life. Then I realized I have every right to love, to have someone to share my life with, and to have sex. I'm not going to let some self righteous jerk stop me from living a happy and fulfilling life.

NateDawg · 22nd Feb 2009, 09:49 PM

wow starfish! I'm glad u give me the part of not beleiveing your born that way

hehe. I don't get eh bible, lol.. Yes, I do b elieve what MOST of it says, lol...

NateDawg · 22nd Feb 2009, 09:58 PM

I just get caught up in the moment where the bible says one man shall notlay with mankind as he does womankind..

LyraLissa · 23rd Feb 2009, 07:53 AM

Yes, it is our choice to show those feelings, but it's almost always unhealthy to deny them, to live a lie... which is why people say they're born that way. They have to show those feelings or live a messed-up life.

pirateninja · 23rd Feb 2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ConfusedDude

I just get caught up in the moment where the bible says one man shall notlay with mankind as he does womankind..

I can understand. Plenty of Christians get caught up with that one passage and repeat it ad nauseam. However, the thing is with the bible is that it should be taken into context:

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Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

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If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The text itself gives us a big clue as to the intended meaning. Three different times we are specifically told that the rules set forth in chapters 18 and 20 are meant to prevent the Israelites from doing what the Egyptians and Canaanites did. The term Canaanites refers to the group of nations who lived in the land into which the Israelites migrated when they left Egypt. It follows, therefore, if we can determine what type of homosexual behavior was common among the Canaanites and Egyptians, we will better understand what these verses were meant to prohibit.

Biblical historians tell us the Canaanite religions surrounding the Israelites at the time of Leviticus often included fertility rites consisting of sexual rituals. These rituals were thought to bring the blessing of the god or goddess on crop and livestock production. During the rituals, whole families, including husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, cousins, aunts and uncles would sometimes have sex. Also included was sex with temple prostitutes. In short, every kind of sexual practice imaginable was performed at these rituals, including homosexual sex.

This is what was going on in Canaan and Egypt at the time the Levitical rules were announced — homosexual temple prostitution. And as already noted, Leviticus 18 and 20 specifically say they were written to address pagan religious practices. Leviticus 18 begins with the admonition, “You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you.” (18:3) Chapter 20 is even more specific, beginning with an injunction against the pagan practices associated with a god named Molech. And both chapters include long lists of sexual practices common in the cultic rituals we mentioned above. However, neither of them speaks to the question of whether two people of the same sex can live in loving relationship with the blessing of God.

In fact, historians tell us our model of loving, long-term homosexual relationships did not meaningfully exist in Canaanite culture. This was a tribal culture in which it would have been virtually impossible to form such relationships. Offspring were essential to survival in this primitive agricultural economy. Moreover, there were rigid distinctions between women’s work and men’s work. If two men had lived together as a couple, for example, one of them would have been placed in the position of doing women’s work, and the presence of a man working among the women of the village would not have been tolerated.

It simply is not reasonable to believe the author of Leviticus intended to prohibit a form of homosexual relationship that did not exist at the time. When read in textual and historical context, the prohibitions in Leviticus 18 and 20 are clearly directed at homosexual temple prostitution, and that is how they should be applied.

I recommend that you check out http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.com and http://www.godmademegay.com

And like has been said before, don't label yourself too quickly; be sure to ask around, go with the flow; you'll soon learn what you really like and don't like. If it turns out that you realise that it really isn't envy of other guys' bodies, but attraction, then you're in good company here.

Oh, and welcome to EC.

NateDawg · 23rd Feb 2009, 10:31 PM

Thank you very much for that explanation. I am curently in debates off and on wth a good friend of mine who is against homosexuality and trying to get him where he can't answer something. I haven't come to a question yet, but I've thought about having him join here to debate here as I would really like to understadn this more form two different points of view.

Mana · 24th Feb 2009, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConfusedDude

Hello,

My names Nate, I'm 19. I still live at home with my parents, brother, and sister. I've been pondering with this problem since I was about 13. Am I BI? Who knows

My entire family (intermediate, distant, etc.) are a bunch of religious people. They believe the WHOLE bible, and also thinks homosexuality is wrong and you will go to hell for it.

Unfortunately, I do not believe this. I do believe what the bible has to say, but I also know for a fact the bible was written by man. This day in time, the old testament of the bible doesn't really mean much of anything anymore as stoning your children would be abuse now and the old testament was written before Jesus was born, lol... I know I'm 19, I should know this, but I don't. (I guess I'm... I don't know)...

I have been overweight my entire life. I was always made fun of in school, never popular. I was and still am a very very SHY person. (I'm a scared big fella i guess)

I struggle everyday with my overweightness wondering if it would be different if I were "in shape". I don't know if what i feel is true or not. I do like girls, but there's something about guy's that get to me. I guess it's the nice abs and how they're built. (not everyone of course). I can't help but think if I were "in shape" if I would feel differently. I have absolutely no self-esteem. I'm one of those people who keep to themselves and doesn't every say much at all.

I thought I would just write on here to get some ideas of what you all think.

(sorry, I haven't read this thread properly)

Are you saying that you are not so much attracted to men as such, but like them because they look how you want to look? Or have I completely missed the point? v_v

NateDawg · 24th Feb 2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mana

(sorry, I haven't read this thread properly)

Are you saying that you are not so much attracted to men as such, but like them because they look how you want to look? Or have I completely missed the point? v_v

Basically? lol... That's how I'm feeling right now anyhow, lol... Not that it will make a difference. I guess we'll see

sdc91 · 24th Feb 2009, 07:15 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure if you're jealous or attracted. :/ Do you want abs, or do they turn you on?

Maybe you could join a gym? It's not like everyone there is a gym rat. People of all shapes and sizes work out there so they can get in shape. No one's gonna judge you.

NateDawg · 25th Feb 2009, 12:29 PM

lol I know for a fact im jellous.. Attracted? WHO KNOWs, lol....

**Filip** · 25th Feb 2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ConfusedDude

I just get caught up in the moment where the bible says one man shall notlay with mankind as he does womankind..

It's an overdone retort, but in the same vicinity, there is written that eatig shellfish, shaving and wearing clothing from two or more types of fibres is an abomination too.

Nevertheless, those are things a lot of devout Christians still do, without the fear of hellfire. Most of the wording in the original language is more specific than the English translation, and clearly refers to religious practices of other tribes, most of which do not exist anymore.

22nd Feb 2009, 12:40 PM	#1
NateDawg EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Family & anyone who asks (If I want them to know). Location: St. Louis, Missouri Age: 22 Posts: 270 Join Date: Feb 2009	Err, What am I? Hello, My names Nate, I'm 19. I still live at home with my parents, brother, and sister. I've been pondering with this problem since I was about 13. Am I BI? Who knows My entire family (intermediate, distant, etc.) are a bunch of religious people. They believe the WHOLE bible, and also thinks homosexuality is wrong and you will go to hell for it. Unfortunately, I do not believe this. I do believe what the bible has to say, but I also know for a fact the bible was written by man. This day in time, the old testament of the bible doesn't really mean much of anything anymore as stoning your children would be abuse now and the old testament was written before Jesus was born, lol... I know I'm 19, I should know this, but I don't. (I guess I'm... I don't know)... I have been overweight my entire life. I was always made fun of in school, never popular. I was and still am a very very SHY person. (I'm a scared big fella i guess) I struggle everyday with my overweightness wondering if it would be different if I were "in shape". I don't know if what i feel is true or not. I do like girls, but there's something about guy's that get to me. I guess it's the nice abs and how they're built. (not everyone of course). I can't help but think if I were "in shape" if I would feel differently. I have absolutely no self-esteem. I'm one of those people who keep to themselves and doesn't every say much at all. I thought I would just write on here to get some ideas of what you all think.

22nd Feb 2009, 12:44 PM	#2
littledinosaurs J'essaie de Parler Français! :] Full Member Gender: Garçon Orientation: Bisexuel Location: Nouvelle-Angleterre. Age: 21 Posts: 2,351 Join Date: Sep 2008	Re: Err, What am I? So wait do you think because you are out of shape with low self-esteem that you are bi? and if you weren't that way then you wouldn't like boys? cause if you think that then its most definitely not true, sexuality doesn't derive from some issue you have in your past, its just part of you when you're born. __________________ Âllo Là Last edited by littledinosaurs; 22nd Feb 2009 at 12:52 PM..

22nd Feb 2009, 12:55 PM	#3
ricoca EC Addict Full Member Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 20 Posts: 647 Join Date: Nov 2008	Re: Err, What am I? Hi there! I'm Rico. Personally, I think there's no real definition of bisexuality. I don't say I'm gay or I'm bi but i always tell people that I am not straight i always tell people that I can see myself in an emotional and sexual relationship with a guy, but only emotional relationship with a girl. So for me, I'd rather look for a male partner than a female one. Well of course it takes time to figure this out, but by being here, you're taking your first step towards the enlightenment! We're young, enjoy life! My family is Catholic by religion, but I don't think my parents approve of bigotry. And I personally think the bible is up to your interpretation. Though i believe in God, I'd rather believe the all-loving God rather than the gay-hating God. If coming out is not an option, have you considered moving out? ell i wouldn't know cause I'm not out yet to my family, but a lot of people here encourages you to come out as it will make you feel better! Let me know what you think! About being overweight, I am too! For my entire life, though I never got any of the abuse and jokes thrown at me. I'm kinda the same way, but I think what you need is someone who actually takes the first step and talks to you FIRST. Try opening up more, open yourself a little bit of a time, and see if it makes a difference. I'm the kind who needs some "poking" before I open up myself to other people. So welcome to EC! And make friends here! it'll help so much by talking to people in EC, they're all very helpful __________________ i can never fit into any crowd, wanna know why?

22nd Feb 2009, 01:25 PM	#4
LyraLissa Member Regular Member Gender: Female Orientation: Flamboyantly Lesbian Out Status: Even the polar bears got the memo. Location: The frozen north Age: 18 Posts: 65 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Err, What am I? Best of luck exploring your brain... For awhile I wondered about who I was attracted to, and in some ways I think people can never really know. Identity isn't concrete and simple. There are plenty of people out there who will accept and love you for whoever you are, gay, bi, straight, or anywhere in between. And about overweightness? Those people are unbelievably shallow and missing out on a lot. However, the more open and confident you are about your identity and your appearance, the more true friends you'll find. EC seems like a great place to start. Hugs, Lyra __________________ If homosexuality is a disease, let's all call in queer to work. 'Hello, can't work today. Still queer.'

22nd Feb 2009, 02:03 PM	#5
Psychedelic Bookmarks Helena Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: Close family and quite a few friends Location: UK Age: 18 Posts: 2,195 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: Err, What am I? Hi, welcome Sometimes when we have an environment around us telling us that being gay or bi is wrong, we look for any explanation as to why we might be attracted to our own sex. We think "It must just be because I feel bad about my shape" or "It must be because of my relationship with my parents" or "I'm just afraid because I've never had good friends of the opposite sex" or etc etc. We look for any reason why we have this attraction, trying to push away the thought that maybe we simply are attracted to them, just naturally, because it's a part of who we are. Does that sound familiar to you? Could it be that you've connected the "in shape" idea to the looking at guys because it's kinda scary to admit that you just do like looking at guys anyway? Just a thought. Hope it helps you come to some realisations. __________________ "I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial." (Morissey)

22nd Feb 2009, 02:49 PM	#6
kaster Slogan slag <3 Full Member Gender: Female Age: 21 Posts: 267 Join Date: Dec 2008	Re: Err, What am I? I wouldn't rush with trying to label yourself too quikly. I'm not bothering with the labels thing because I'm not sure theres one that fits me. Just roll with it, like who you like. As rico said try opening up a little bit more in every day life just a bit at a time, maybe join some clubs put yourself out there. If you're unhappy about your weight, do something about it, try to eat a little better and maybe join a gym or go on cycles or runs on your own - gives you "me" time to think things through. Do you have a dog? take it out on walks. Dont make it a big thing just little simple chages. Good Luckk! and welcome to EC! luckily everyone here just wants to help you __________________ This is how it works, you're young until you're not, you love until you don't, you try until you can't. You laugh until you cry, you cry until you laugh and everone must breathe until their dying breath.

22nd Feb 2009, 07:34 PM	#7
NateDawg EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Family & anyone who asks (If I want them to know). Location: St. Louis, Missouri Age: 22 Posts: 270 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Err, What am I? Okay. Here's the thing. It's not that I think if I were in shape I would think differently, but I beleive it's just because I'm so depressed I guess you could say of how out of shape i am. I know I have to change it, but it's hard for me to do it when I have th etroubles I have physically. I'm doing ok with loosing weight a little bit at a time, but not enough like I'd like to. As for being born this way. I don't belive it. lol... I'm sorry... I believe it's a choice we make. Yes I know others believe differently, but it's how I was raised. Sure. we can't help who we love or like, but it's our choice to show the feelings. I am not against homosexuality AT ALL. I do get grossed out at times, but lol... I just don't know. I feel like if I was okay with my appearance I'd be a little different, or at least have more self-esteem. I am not sure. I'm 19 and should know but I don't. Like I said, my whole family are religious freaks. lol... Doing it alone is hard, and not an option to go somewhere to talk about it as we live in a SMALL town. 4 towns prolly make up a normal sized town for most people. I'm just working on my health here lately and appearance. I wanna built my self-esteem and see where it goes from there. I've never said anything like this to ANYONE as I feel insecure of sharing this information, but feel kind of safe with as many members are here and what the site is. Here's why I think that it's just a thing going on. After watching pr0n (yes I do watch that, LOL) if it's gay porn, i get grossed out after a little bit, lol. LITTERALLY, but I keep going back. I just don't knoe what to do from here at the moment. lol... I'm about to go insane.

22nd Feb 2009, 08:47 PM	#9
NateDawg EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Family & anyone who asks (If I want them to know). Location: St. Louis, Missouri Age: 22 Posts: 270 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Err, What am I? Yea. I get inspiration from the tv show the biggest loser. lol... All my life ive been big doesn't take much to get it off except for a lifestyle change, lol..

22nd Feb 2009, 09:49 PM	#11
NateDawg EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Family & anyone who asks (If I want them to know). Location: St. Louis, Missouri Age: 22 Posts: 270 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Err, What am I? wow starfish! I'm glad u give me the part of not beleiveing your born that way hehe. I don't get eh bible, lol.. Yes, I do b elieve what MOST of it says, lol...

22nd Feb 2009, 09:58 PM	#12
NateDawg EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Family & anyone who asks (If I want them to know). Location: St. Louis, Missouri Age: 22 Posts: 270 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Err, What am I? I just get caught up in the moment where the bible says one man shall notlay with mankind as he does womankind..

23rd Feb 2009, 07:53 AM	#13
LyraLissa Member Regular Member Gender: Female Orientation: Flamboyantly Lesbian Out Status: Even the polar bears got the memo. Location: The frozen north Age: 18 Posts: 65 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Err, What am I? Yes, it is our choice to show those feelings, but it's almost always unhealthy to deny them, to live a lie... which is why people say they're born that way. They have to show those feelings or live a messed-up life. __________________ If homosexuality is a disease, let's all call in queer to work. 'Hello, can't work today. Still queer.'

23rd Feb 2009, 10:31 PM	#15
NateDawg EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Family & anyone who asks (If I want them to know). Location: St. Louis, Missouri Age: 22 Posts: 270 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Err, What am I? Thank you very much for that explanation. I am curently in debates off and on wth a good friend of mine who is against homosexuality and trying to get him where he can't answer something. I haven't come to a question yet, but I've thought about having him join here to debate here as I would really like to understadn this more form two different points of view.

24th Feb 2009, 07:15 AM	#18
sdc91 Coop d'état Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Berlin, Germany Age: 21 Posts: 1,607 Join Date: Nov 2007	Re: Err, What am I? Yeah, I'm not sure if you're jealous or attracted. :/ Do you want abs, or do they turn you on? Maybe you could join a gym? It's not like everyone there is a gym rat. People of all shapes and sizes work out there so they can get in shape. No one's gonna judge you.

25th Feb 2009, 12:29 PM	#19
NateDawg EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Family & anyone who asks (If I want them to know). Location: St. Louis, Missouri Age: 22 Posts: 270 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: Err, What am I? lol I know for a fact im jellous.. Attracted? WHO KNOWs, lol....