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Is One Sex More Romantically/Sexually Fluid Than The Other?

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by iiimee, Jun 16, 2016.

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Is one sex more likely to have a fluid sexuality?

  1. Yes, women on average are more romantically AND sexually fluid than men.

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  2. Yes, on average women are more romantically fluid than men.

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  3. Yes, on average women are more sexually fluid than men.

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  4. Yes, on average men are more romantically AND sexually fluid than women.

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  5. Yes, on average men are more romantically fluid than women.

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  6. Yes, on average men are more sexually fluid than women.

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  7. No, both sexes are equally fluid.

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  8. No, sexuality is static.

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  9. Men are more sexually fluid, women more romantically fluid.

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  10. Women are more sexually fluid, men more romantically fluid.

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  1. iiimee

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    Hey guys, I just wanted to know what you thought of this. Please note that we're not really talking about straight or gay here as much as "in between". Like, do you think that one sex is more prone to be more sexually or romantically inclusive? Please note that, for the sake of simplicity, we're just talking about sex here and not gender identity, though I'm sure that being trans definitely plays a part in how in between you are if your sex does. Again, some of you may disagree, but I think that women are more likely to go both ways or have the potential to do so because women ON AVERAGE (this is a generalization) are more attracted to the psychological rather than the physical. Like, men to a certain degree have to be mentally "into it" to get pleasure, but not nearly as much as women- There's a reason women find themselves turned on usually after reading an erotica novel. Now, this is just my theory, and you may disagree, but please tell me so in the comments so we can debate our points there! I think this is a very interesting topic, and there's a lot of Science to consider when trying to figure out anything about humans. Now, I want to be clear that I think that women CAN be exclusively attracted to one sex, but I believe that most women either aren't or have the potential to not be, and just haven't thought about it too much.

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    Oops, put this in the wrong place. X_x can somebody move my thread?
     
  2. Invidia

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    Every study I've seen on the subject suggests that, indeed, women are more likely to be sexually fluid. What little experience of the real world I have seems to indicate the same.
    Also, I do think it's a lot to do with gender rather than sex - like, if you have a male mind you're less likely to be fluid and vice versa, I believe, although that's obviously not true for everyone.
     
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    I just think it's a social thing that girls are supposedly more fluid. It could easily be the other way if there weren't stigmas.
     
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    I agree that it has more to do with your brain chemistry, aka your gender, and I sort of regret choosing to say sex instead of gender, but really, this was something about how people are on average, and since trans people aren't really "on average" since they're like, 0.01% of the population or something, it isn't too bad that I chose to put sex and not gender.

    See, I agree that it's more acceptable for women to experiment and even declare themselves fluid than men, but I highly doubt that women are "expected" to be fluid, and I think that, with the Science pointing to the fact that women are probably at least more romantically fluid, it makes sense that society would accept women having fluid sexualities more than men. Of course, there are other reasons women's sexual orientations are often more accepted than men's, such as the fact there are significantly more women who are fluid rather than exclusively gay, and of course many cultures have a hyper-masculine way of looking at men. If there's an upside to any "stigma" society has about women being more fluid than men, it's that Science points to it being true, at least from what I can see.
     
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    All studies ive read state that male sexuality is fixed at a younger age and changes are usually insignificant.
    Where as there is fluidity seen in female sexuality. Lisa diamond, one of the pioneers of sexual fluidity, made her observations almost exclusively in women.
    But I also believe that there are some social factors that play a minor or permissive role in this. For example since feminity is less fragile than masculinity, thanks to all the misogyny in the world, women tend to be more comfortable with experimenting. I also feel that the factor that female sexuality is "passive or receptive" has a role to play in it too.
     
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    Women are supposed to be more fluid according to studies.

    However, I have no clue if this is also social related as well. Straight men love lesbian porn and fetishize bisexuals, so straight women may experiment to show off to men, while a guy wouldn't do the same since straight women find male bisexuality "gross". There's also the fact that lesbians are erased, It's common to say that lesbian sex is not real sex, you're still a virgin after doing so, while gay anal sex is degrading. So you see more women experimenting for this reason. Another thing is that female bisexuality is seen as "straight" while male bisexuality is seen as "gay". So a girl can fuck 100 girls and still be seen as straight, while if a guy fucks 100 girls and 1 guy, he's 100% gay to society.

    I honestly don't think men are as rigid as we'd like to believe either. Gay sex happens all the time between men in prison, in the military, or in same-sex schools when women aren't around. "Gay" sex was common in ancient rome, while lesbian sex was unheard of in the same time. And many many average straight men will experiment with other men to some extent in secrecy (mainly handjobs). Just look around on this forum where other gay guys have successfully slept with their straight male friends, way more than you'd think. Men are less likely to be loud about their same-sex experiences because it is shameful and it brands them as completely gay for life (see last paragraph).
     
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    Eh, I see what you're saying, but I think that still ignores the fact all those acts are sexual between men, so even by your argument, I think that women are still more romantically fluid than men are.

    Still, I stand by my original argument because all the situations you listed are sort of "opportunistic", save for maybe ancient Rome, and even then the lack of genetic diversity could be a huge factor in the fluidity of ancient Romans.

    There's definitely a societal norm where women experimenting is okay and men experimenting isn't (though I'm insulted so many people call that misogyny when it's only indirectly that. It's misandry), but that doesn't mean that the very nature of women isn't more fluid than men. There's a reason there are many more exclusively gay or straight men than women, and I don't think it's all just "expectations", when a lot of these fluid girls live in countries like Britain and the US, where there isn't a huge expectation for one sex to be anything. I'm just a little disheartened that people think these environmental factors disprove any scientific factors, though really, this thread isn't for disproving, rather than helping others come to their own personal opinions based on the comments and deciding what sounds the most sound to them. That's really all that happens whenever a question like this is posed on EC, and I think that's a good system to have.
     
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    I doubt this has anything to do with stigmas. There have been studies that have shown women are probably more fluid. This doesn't mean exclusive lesbians aren't a thing. It just means women are a bit more fluid in their sexuality.
     
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    I'm definitely not disagreeing with the scientific factors, I'm just trying to bring up the other side on what I have noticed.

    I do think women are more fluid on average, definitely. Just that of course, some environmental factors come into play, and they can affect men as well.

    I'm a female that's a 6 on the kinsey scale, but I can definitely agree and notice that the other lesbians I talk to are not nearly as rigid as I am. I'm more of the exception than the rule, but of course exceptions to everything exist. Thus I try to take all arguments into account and look at it from all sides.
     
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    As a sex, I've heard females are more "fluid," perhaps partly because of their DNA, perhaps partly because society gives them more latitude (and by society, I mean the patriarchy: straight guys love seeing two girls kiss :lol:slight_smile:.

    As a group, I would say trans folks are the most "fluid," perhaps partly because they were raised by their birth sex and maybe are learning to adapt socially to how they believe to be. I state this because on EC for several years I've seen trans folks wrestle with their orientation greatly and "evolve," and they seem to be (on EC) more likely than non-trans men and women to be pansexual or bisexual.
     
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    I think both are equally sexually fluid but society tends to give women more freedom (because of how society sees women).
     
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    Depends what theory you go for. The two main ones are that women either-

    a) More sexually fluid because of marriages featuring a man and more than one wife.

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    b) A more er...graphic explanation.


    https://mic.com/articles/128000/the...-is-more-complicated-than-we-think#.FuwoNntDD

    But if the latter is the case- It's interesting that the women who identified as lesbians followed similar patterns as the men did. But then in the 2007 study it mentions, lesbians had similar results to straight women. I think the fact women reacted to the Bonobos though shows that it's probably less to do with attraction though. Unless...:eek: Dun Dunn Dunnn!
     
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    I'm not sure, but I think they are equally fluid.

    Any differences could be easily explained by society's different expectations of women vs men.
     
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    I think this is statistically true. I read that a study of sexuality among trans people in the US found that ~20% of trans people identified as bisexual (compared to the 5-ish % of cis people).
     
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    I think girls end up being more fluid than men. It's really hard to explain, but I feel they develop a deeper gender bonding than guys do, so that's why some of them get to experience outside their norm zone. I could be totally wrong though.
     
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    No, but it's convenient for many to think so.
     
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    Also, to add to my post before- I'd say that women can definitely be fixed as well as fluid. I mean, I've had girls come up to me and "not get" how I could like women that way.

    "How can you like women? They're ugly"

    "I don't get how people can find women's bodies attractive, especially when you have men available"

    "But like isn't the bit on women people sexualise just fat and body tissue? How can you like that?"

    Are common questions and statements that I get often from people (usually straight women).

    Most of the girls I know are like this, they accept me but can't help but be baffled. In fact, in my peer group most of the guys I know are more comfortable talking about men they'd make exceptions for than the women in my group are. And then there's me, just doodling in the background during these conversations because why not. I don't really have anything to add to them, so... :shrug:
     
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    Jeez, if I got those kinds of comments from people I don't know how I'd put up with it. :eusa_doh: Of course they're not going to understand it, just like we don't understand them.