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tallship · 26th Mar 2009, 04:55 AM

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090326...t-6323e80.html

xadude · 26th Mar 2009, 04:59 AM

the really should stop doing that! its crazy and im sure it doesnt work...

**EM68** · 26th Mar 2009, 05:04 AM

I read the headline and stopped. These articles drive me crazy.

**Eleanor Rigby** · 26th Mar 2009, 05:10 AM

My husband show me that when I came back for lunch. That drive us crazy ! How long will we have to deal with that ? I just can't believe it !

Alex19 · 26th Mar 2009, 12:46 PM

at least the ppl in that atricle say how it doesnt work. i cant believe that someone would try to cure another person of their sexuality. countless associations have said that its not a mental disorder and that its foolish to try to cure it seeing as it isnt something to be cured. not to mention it messes up the person even more.

Mirko · 26th Mar 2009, 01:27 PM

I read it on the BBC News website last night, and I could not believe it. Therapists who engage in these sorts of things should be stripped of their licenses. They are doing more harm than good.

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So-called gay cure therapies are wholly discredited. The conclusions of this research are a welcome reminder that what lesbian and gay people need is equal treatment by society, not misguided treatment by a minority of health professionals.

Cheria · 26th Mar 2009, 01:37 PM

So being gay is an emotion now? It's better than choice, I guess.

silas99 · 26th Mar 2009, 01:49 PM

I just had a read of the actual journal article which is online if anyone is interested:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/9/11/abstract
If you click PDF on the right hand column then you can view the whole article.

I'm not so keen on their wording of their questionnaires that they gave out to the Psych healthcare workers. But some of the actual quoted comments that people wrote on the answers made me laugh (from page 12 onwards). Have a read if you get a chance.

I think we should look at the positive side of this....it's only 4% that would help a homosexual change their orientation. Note the wording, these professionals agreed they would help the individual if they came to them with a specific request to change their sexuality. And thats counselling...none of the aversion treatments of the past. I very much doubt you would even get 0.1% that would agree to forcing someone to change their sexuality. In 5 years time that 4% will go down to 3% and then to 2%.....it just takes a bit of time. I dont honestly think this study has told us anything we didnt already know.

Wander · 26th Mar 2009, 02:27 PM

At least the article reported the facts. I find it shameful that these psychiatrists would try practices on their patients that they know to be dangerous and emotionally harmful because they "must serve their patient", when people confused or unhappy with their sexuality are obviously not the most objective and informed observers.

Just Adam · 26th Mar 2009, 02:40 PM

my mate told me about this today i just said it wont work.. i hate they way they think beeing gay must be a problem oh were sick were ill were messed up in the head :| no i just like what i like thats life deal with it, someone always has a bug up there arse and takes something they dont like and try to make a crusade cure our sickness repent.... it jsut gets me so down i really am starting to feel something must be wrong with me perhaps thats just in general.

Sexiross · 26th Mar 2009, 02:43 PM

its bs...and i think the people that need to rwealize that this is not a disease.... not an addiction...and definetely not a problem... guys there is nothing wrong with u to seek help from straight people.. its just a big eff you to everyone1!!!!

26th Mar 2009, 02:46 PM

I don't understand how they can back such ludicrous research. I mean, really...There's nothing to back it up.

26th Mar 2009, 02:55 PM

I think it's only really bad when it's like in America where parents are forcing their kids to go against their will. If people are going there of their own free will, it's not like we can tell them to stop with any sort of authority over them.

Katherine · 26th Mar 2009, 02:58 PM

Seriously. Why can't people realize there's NOTHING wrong with being gay? Why is it a mental disease because we want to date a different gender to make us happy? We're perfectly happy that way and it doesn't affect anyone negatively at all. Get over it. I'm happy the way I am, and even though it's not the easiest life to live, I wouldn't want anyone to try to change me to someone different. Why would I?

Cheria · 26th Mar 2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Angel

I think it's only really bad when it's like in America where parents are forcing their kids to go against their will. If people are going there of their own free will, it's not like we can tell them to stop with any sort of authority over them.

That's true, but these people who go on their own will likely only do so because they live in a community that views it as being wrong, which is why they believe they need to change it. What they need is counseling, comfort in their orientation, not what these guys are doing.

27th Mar 2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Roswell

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Originally Posted by Midnight Angel

I think it's only really bad when it's like in America where parents are forcing their kids to go against their will. If people are going there of their own free will, it's not like we can tell them to stop with any sort of authority over them.

That's true, but these people who go on their own will likely only do so because they live in a community that views it as being wrong, which is why they believe they need to change it. What they need is counseling, comfort in their orientation, not what these guys are doing.

They probably view it as wrong themselves, if they're taking the time to go. I mean that's why I wanted to check it out.

26th Mar 2009, 04:55 AM	#1
tallship Well Known Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: A few people Location: London Age: 51 Posts: 121 Join Date: Jan 2009	here we go again http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090326...t-6323e80.html

26th Mar 2009, 04:59 AM	#2
xadude I'm here often enough :P Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: I like the guys Out Status: Most know. If you don't you'll know soon enough Location: Aberdeen Age: 22 Posts: 123 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: here we go again the really should stop doing that! its crazy and im sure it doesnt work... __________________ Your only obligation in any lifetime is to be true to yourself. Being true to anyone else or anything else is...impossible. -Richard Bach, Illusions

26th Mar 2009, 05:04 AM	#3
EM68 Happily Married! :) EC Moderator Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out and about. Location: Stoughton, Massachusetts USA Age: 43 Posts: 4,288 Join Date: Jun 2008	Re: here we go again I read the headline and stopped. These articles drive me crazy. __________________ I'm beautiful in my way, 'Cause God makes no mistakes I'm on the right track, baby I was Born This Way -Lady Gaga

26th Mar 2009, 05:10 AM	#4
Eleanor Rigby Filip's sidekick EC Advisor Gender: Female Orientation: Straight Out Status: Out as straight ally Location: France Age: 32 Posts: 5,400 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: here we go again My husband show me that when I came back for lunch. That drive us crazy ! How long will we have to deal with that ? I just can't believe it !

26th Mar 2009, 12:46 PM	#5
Alex19 who else but me? Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: homo Out Status: I think everyone knows by now Location: New York Age: 21 Posts: 1,301 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: here we go again at least the ppl in that atricle say how it doesnt work. i cant believe that someone would try to cure another person of their sexuality. countless associations have said that its not a mental disorder and that its foolish to try to cure it seeing as it isnt something to be cured. not to mention it messes up the person even more. __________________ "It's always darkest before dawn."

26th Mar 2009, 01:37 PM	#7
Cheria にひひっ♪ Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Almost everyone Location: Illinois Age: 20 Posts: 636 Join Date: Mar 2009	Re: here we go again So being gay is an emotion now? It's better than choice, I guess.

26th Mar 2009, 01:49 PM	#8
silas99 Nic Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Girl fancier Out Status: Not so much having tea with Aslan anymore! Location: In my own world....Wales! Age: 26 Posts: 521 Join Date: Nov 2008	Re: here we go again I just had a read of the actual journal article which is online if anyone is interested: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/9/11/abstract If you click PDF on the right hand column then you can view the whole article. I'm not so keen on their wording of their questionnaires that they gave out to the Psych healthcare workers. But some of the actual quoted comments that people wrote on the answers made me laugh (from page 12 onwards). Have a read if you get a chance. I think we should look at the positive side of this....it's only 4% that would help a homosexual change their orientation. Note the wording, these professionals agreed they would help the individual if they came to them with a specific request to change their sexuality. And thats counselling...none of the aversion treatments of the past. I very much doubt you would even get 0.1% that would agree to forcing someone to change their sexuality. In 5 years time that 4% will go down to 3% and then to 2%.....it just takes a bit of time. I dont honestly think this study has told us anything we didnt already know. __________________ "When you go into court you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren’t smart enough to get out of jury duty."

26th Mar 2009, 02:27 PM	#9
Wander Banned Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Parents, aunts, grandma, counselor, online friends Location: Central Alabama Age: 18 Posts: 2,360 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: here we go again At least the article reported the facts. I find it shameful that these psychiatrists would try practices on their patients that they know to be dangerous and emotionally harmful because they "must serve their patient", when people confused or unhappy with their sexuality are obviously not the most objective and informed observers.

26th Mar 2009, 02:40 PM	#10
Just Adam Just passing through Full Member Gender: Something Orientation: Dunno Out Status: If they ask i will tell them Location: Wherever Age: 23 Posts: 6,002 Join Date: Mar 2009	Re: here we go again my mate told me about this today i just said it wont work.. i hate they way they think beeing gay must be a problem oh were sick were ill were messed up in the head :\| no i just like what i like thats life deal with it, someone always has a bug up there arse and takes something they dont like and try to make a crusade cure our sickness repent.... it jsut gets me so down i really am starting to feel something must be wrong with me perhaps thats just in general. __________________ There Used To Be A Point Of Things.

26th Mar 2009, 02:43 PM	#11
Sexiross Banned Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: All but family Location: washington pa Posts: 762 Join Date: Mar 2009	Re: here we go again its bs...and i think the people that need to rwealize that this is not a disease.... not an addiction...and definetely not a problem... guys there is nothing wrong with u to seek help from straight people.. its just a big eff you to everyone1!!!!

26th Mar 2009, 02:46 PM	#12
The Enigma Guest Posts: n/a	Re: here we go again I don't understand how they can back such ludicrous research. I mean, really...There's nothing to back it up.

26th Mar 2009, 02:55 PM	#13
Midnight Angel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: here we go again I think it's only really bad when it's like in America where parents are forcing their kids to go against their will. If people are going there of their own free will, it's not like we can tell them to stop with any sort of authority over them.

26th Mar 2009, 02:58 PM	#14
Katherine Professional Cuddler Full Member Gender: 75% female Orientation: 110% gay Out Status: 98% out Location: The land of rednecks and pine trees (Georgia) Age: 19 Posts: 1,745 Join Date: Mar 2009	Re: here we go again Seriously. Why can't people realize there's NOTHING wrong with being gay? Why is it a mental disease because we want to date a different gender to make us happy? We're perfectly happy that way and it doesn't affect anyone negatively at all. Get over it. I'm happy the way I am, and even though it's not the easiest life to live, I wouldn't want anyone to try to change me to someone different. Why would I? __________________ Overly emotional five-foot-tall vegetarian gamer girl who procrastinates way too much. Loves food, art, cats, and making people smile.