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How did you know you were a lesbian?

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  1. ques123tion

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    Hi everyone,

    I'm new to this site, I've been confused about my sexuality for years and have been struggling for a long time, I'm 23 now. I also have OCD pretty badly, I've been to therapy before and they felt I was also so worried about this because of that. So I'm not sure if I'm battling regular struggles with OCD on top of it or what, but its been hard.

    I have had crushes on guys in the past and liked some guys, but I also feel like it hasn't been enough guys. Also I feel like I'm really picky about guys and don't find tons of them attractive.

    Over the years I have noticed pretty girls, and sometimes had feelings like maybe I did have a crush on them, but never a girl in real life. I also haven't ever fantasized about girls or wanted to be with one really. It always grossed me out and I never imagined living with a woman or having a life with a girl, but in a way sometimes it felt like I could at times depending on the girl and this really confuses me.

    I haven't ever dated anyone, the closest I got to feeling like I wanted to date someone was a guy I liked last semester but I realized he didn't like me back and it kind of crushed me.

    I feel even more confused when it comes to sex. This is what led me to post today. I feel like I don't find alot of men sexually attractive, but only a few. But I still feel like I would want to have sex with a man. I do feel aroused thinking about it and would want to. Sometimes I'm not sure if its just because I think about the pleasure and I'm not really attracted to them or what? But I also feel like its something I would want to experience.

    But with women I notice that they are pretty and I notice their bodies and I feel like are nicer to look at than men in a sense. I also feel like I feel some sexual arousal to their breasts, but there is also that feeling of disgust that comes with it. I don't know if this is just because its something different than what I'm used to or what. I'm not sure if I'd want to have sex with a woman, in a way its kind of a turn off thinking about it, but its also confusing because of some thoughts I have towards women and the fact that I notice their bodies or think they are pretty and also because some sexual arousal is there.

    I feel really confused about all this and its driven me crazy for years. I've been to the point where I've wanted to kill myself over all of this confusion but I realized not matter what happens if I'm gay or straight there's nothing wrong with it and its not worth it! Again, I don't know if its because I have OCD it makes all this worse. But I'm just super confused! I don't really have anyone to talk to about all of these different feelings I have... Sorry for this long post, Thanks to anyone who read it!
     
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    Maybe you aren't attracted to girls at all....especially if sex and relationships are a turn-off. Or maybe you're still taking in society's messages that only heterosexual relationships are proper.

    Lots of straight women think women are pleasing to look at too, but there's no sexual interest.
     
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    Thanks CreativeMind.

    Yeah it all really confusing for me! Its hard for me to tell sometimes is it just society and them saying its wrong or is it because I'm just not into it. Its weird though that I have some thoughts and feelings towards girls but I'm just not sure if its something I really want to act on.

    Was it pretty clear cut for you when you realized you were a lesbian? Did you go back and forth kind of wondering or did you just know?

    Thank you so much!
     
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    It's difficult to describe for me. When I was younger, I wanted to be in a relationship with a woman, but I thought sex would be weird/gross. I had issues with my sexuality in general when I was younger (not in terms of what gender I liked, but in terms of thinking having sex at all was a bad thing). It mainly came from being brainwashed by religion and taught a lot of shame. But I got more open to the idea of sex with women as I got older.

    I still haven't had sex yet though, mostly because It's hard to find gay women and that I'm not interested in something casual. But I know deep down, It's what I'm attracted to. Maybe It'll take a while for you to get to that point?

    Also, to answer your question further, I always knew I was attracted to girls, but I didn't know if I was lesbian or bi. It took me until I was 19 years old to figure out that I didn't like guys at all.
     
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    Thank you for answering my questions!. This kind of helped to clear some things up for me. I haven't ever really felt a longing or a feeling to be with a woman. A couple times it kind of felt like it, but it always freaked me out and I felt uncomfortable and didnt like it. For me it's always felt more right thinking of being with a guy and it felt more comfortable. But sometimes I worry because I feel like I'm not attracted to enough guys in person. I also get worried because of some thoughts and feelings towards women. But maybe I just find them nice to look at but that doesn't mean I want to be with them in a relationship. Having ocd I think blurs things, and this whole sexuality thing has been a big obsession for me. I don't think there's anything wrong with being lesbian or gay, it's more I just don't know if it's something I want. But I have worried about society and what others think too.

    I agree growing up I felt like sex was considered dirty and bad as well. Also sex has kind of scared me because I'm not good at opening up to people. To me it feels embarrassing to be that vulnerable with your body to someone else and put yourself out there. I'm not sure if that's what has kind of turned me off to it in the past. But I still feel like I would rather have sex with a guy than a girl. I don't know if it's just because that's what I'm used to seeing predominantly but to me the idea of having sex with a woman just isn't appealing, even though I've had some thoughts towards women.

    I don't mean to be weird saying this but I've watched porn to try to see what I would like and the lesbian porn just didn't appeal to me.

    I think if I was really a lesbian I wouldn't think about having sex with a guy and want to. I kind of think I may have just over read into my thoughts towards girls.

    It's just all been so hard. It's embarrassing to me that I'm 23 and still questioning my sexuality or wondering about things. I didn't go to regular school when I was younger so now that I'm in college I'm kind of experiencing everything for the first time as an adult and still figuring stuff out! I think I'm just going to not try to figure it out and just let things be for awhile.

    I hope all this doesn't sound crazy, I appreciate you listening and answering my questions. For me I don't really have alot of people to talk to about all this so thanks again for everything.

    I still feel so confused about everything. I got kind of desperate to figure things out and what I want so I watched porn. When I watch straight porn I feel aroused like I would want to have sex with a guy, but I also think the woman looks pretty and also kind of feel some feelings of arousal towards her breasts? When I watch lesbian porn its not as appealing to me, but I still feel like in a way I can imagine it would be pleasurable but I don't know if I would really want to do that with another girl at all or not it and it seems weird and kind of gross. (No offense at all, I don't have a problem with anyone being lesbian/gay I'm supportive but just not sure what I want for myself!!)

    But I still feel like I feel some arousal to women's bodies in a sense, like they are prettier. And I also feel some feelings towards their breasts and think their bodies are prettier than men's. But I feel like I would rather have actual sex with a man and a relationship.

    I'm just confused about all these feelings I'm having. I would just like to figure out what my sexuality is already. Its pretty embarrassing to me that I'm 23 and still haven't figured it out. I haven't dated anyone or slept with anyone and I didn't go to regular school when I was younger so I'm kind of still figuring things out in college. I just don't like feeling so ashamed of myself for some feelings I have towards girls, but I don't know how to accept it and be ok with it. I've tried and tried but it still weirds me out.

    I grew up similarly where I also felt like sex was bad and dirty. I also feel kind of embarrassed thinking about being that vulnerable with anyone with my body like that it and it kind of scares me that level of intimacy.

    I just can't seem to figure out what I want and how to handle all this and get peace in my life. I just want to be happy and put an end to all this.
     
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    I grew up in a very conservative, christian area so for me being gay wasn't an option both in society and in my head. Like...when i started noticing myself checking out girls in PE in like 6th or 7th grade, 11-12 ish, it never occured to me that i might like girls - i simply thought i was being very rude and inappropriate and assumed i was just 'comparing sizes' is how i explained it away.

    I noticed around that same time 2 things - i did not find shirtless guys appealing like other girls, and that my guy crushes were all of a very specific type - somewhat feminine, pretty guys. But even though i would look at a guy and be like he's cute and obsess a bit, the idea of anything more was repulsive. Seeing a guy shirtless was like 'oh okay' - it didn't do anything for me and i didn't understand the appeal at all. But instead of connect the dots, because it was never an option in my family and among family friends, i simply assumed that i was just being a good daughter, that i was just prioritizing school over boys, and that i was just very modest and not very sexual which in the christian conservative circle i was raised in was touted as a good thing. This is how i explained away the fact that i never dated anyone in school.

    It wasn't until i was like 22 or 23 that i began to question my sexuality. It was all over one person too - a new girl at work. I couldn't figure out if she was a guy or a girl for the longest time though, and this puzzled me. I think looking back she was probably genderfluid or trans maybe? Idk. She wasn't employed with us for long at all and her name was one of those boy or girl names, so that didn't help cause she looked very young and her voice wasn't helping either. But when i finally realized she was a girl, i was completely thrown for a loop. Then i began to connect the dots. Checking out girls in PE in middle school. Routinely thinking what i thought was inappropriate thoughts - wondering what a girl would look like shirtless, wondering what it would be like to touch a particular person shirtless or half naked, etc. Stuff like that, that i had just explained away or mislabelled my whole life, i was suddenly re-evaluating, and thats how i came to the conclusion by thinking a lot about it and posting on here...that i'm gay. I like girls.
     
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    If you feel arousal for the female body, you're probably bi/gay.
    Do you also feel arousal for the male body?

    I remember thinking sex with girls and relationships with girls were weird/gross too, so that alone does not tell you what your sexuality is.
     
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    I don't like lesbian porn either, but in my case it has more to do with how fake and unrelatable it is. Lesbian sex doesn't turn me off if It's portrayed properly, but unfortunately, porn is mostly aimed toward straight men.

    I honesty feel like every lesbian is different with how they express attraction. Personally, the idea of sleeping with a man is completely repulsive to me. I've had people talk about me being with men (when I was closeted and they didn't know) and it gave me an uncomfortable feeling. Other lesbians have been ok with it but just felt the real attraction is missing.

    Also, even though I'm a lesbian, I don't have any arousal toward (random) women's bodies. I've never been attracted to a stranger, I've never checked out random women, I never feel anything. My sexual attraction is a bit more secondary- I get emotionally attached and become sexually aroused by that specific person's body, but not by random women's bodies in particular.

    I'm actually not a fan of breasts. They don't turn me off by any means, but they just give me a "neutral" response. I don't think women's breasts are that attractive on their own, but a pair belonging to the one woman I love- can be. I just don't understand the big deal I guess. I have a huge rack and I've never liked it much, so I guess that's why I've been conditioned to not care. But I don't know if It's a sexuality thing? A lot of straight women don't get randomly aroused by penises but they like the penis of the man they're dating.
     
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    Idk Creativemind, but I think that most people that are attracted to women feel some arousal for breasts? Unless you're asexual or demisexual or something.

    I can get aroused by random breasts, but not by just seeing a random vagina (I think, I haven't really spent much time testing this out lol) because that's just weird to me lol. Maybe this only applies to only seeing random genitalia?
     
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    Why do lesbians have to be attracted by random breasts if straight women aren't attracted to random penises? I actually do find random vaginas way more attractive than breasts in general, btw. Breasts are like feet to me, they don't gross me out but they're just a body part. There's way more to a woman's anatomy than breasts, and many women don't even have prominent ones (like A cups).

    Lesbians in general are way over sexualized by the public. We come in many different flavors. Some are constantly horny and sexualize every part of a woman, some are a bit more conservative in regards to attraction and dating. And some are in between. I guess I am "technically demisexual" but I feel those labels are just useless, especially since MOST straight women I know have "demisexual" attractions but aren't questioned or forced into those labels. That's because straight women don't have their sexual orientation as sexualized. Lesbians are treated as sex objects, so we're the ones who get questioned and harassed more frequently if we aren't sexualizing people enough.
     
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    Well, because you can't really compare penises with breasts?
    You can compare them with vaginas, however, and I do believe that most people are not attracted to only seeing a random vagina just like most people are not attracted to only seeing a random penis.
     
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    I read a playboy and I was done for.
     
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    I am attracted to random vaginas sometimes, just not breasts. Vagina is my favorite body part, It's where most of the fun takes place. I fantasize about touching them from time to time, but breasts never cross my mind at all.

    Breasts don't interest me that much. I actually prefer small ones, like A cups at most. Other than that, I'm not a breast person.

    And I have met lesbians who don't care about breasts...I don't see why that's weird, especially since women aren't defined as a pair of breasts. They all still love sex with women and everything else about women, it's just that that part is neutral.
     
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    Our experiences differ then. My lesbian friends love them lol, I don't think I've ever met a lesbian that said she doesn't. But hey, to each their own.
     
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    Well, It's not that I hate breasts, it's just that I feel neutral about them. I only enjoy them on a significant other, but random breasts are.....meh.

    Like I mentioned before, I think It's because my own breasts are so large (D cups) and I've always had self-esteem issues with them. They hurt my back, they look disgusting to me, and they just in general are inconvenient. I'm so conditioned by my own, especially since I have negative feelings about them, to the point it removes a response in other people's I guess. I only get turned on by A cups or B's at most, but I think that comes from a grass is greener perspective.
     
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    Sometimes I feel aroused by the male body but it's not that often. There are only a few guys where I've felt something towards. I still do feel like I've would want to have sex with a guy, have a relationship and that intimacy with a guy and don't find sex repulsive with one. But I just wonder if my arousal is enough, if I like the guy it feels like it is but I don't feel aroused by random shirtless guys I see. I just feel really scared if I'm a lesbian. How did you get yourself to accept it and enjoy the thought of being a lesbian? I feel like I just can't think of myself that way and feel happy. I can't even get myself to fantasize about girls, it feels wrong but yet I feel these feelings towards them if I see a girl randomly. I just feel like I'm repressed maybe, but it also feels like this isn't what I want. If I'm a lesbian I just want to be happy and be this way, but I feel so much anxiety and suffocated by it I feel sick all the time. I can hardly do anything because I'm so worried. How did you come to the place to accept yourself and how long did it take? Thank you all for being kind enough to share your stories.
     
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    'I feel like I just can't think of myself that way and feel happy. I can't even get myself to fantasize about girls, it feels wrong but yet I feel these feelings towards them if I see a girl randomly. I just feel like I'm repressed maybe, but it also feels like this isn't what I want. If I'm a lesbian I just want to be happy and be this way, but I feel so much anxiety and suffocated by it I feel sick all the time. I can hardly do anything because I'm so worried.' -> I remember thinking and feeling this way as well. So it's definitely a possibility that you are very repressed.

    For me, it took about 1 and a half year to get over this. I was lucky though to have such a great LGBT community near my place of residence. Hanging out there a lot and seeing so many happy, pretty, smart, successful, amazing gay people helped me a lot, so if there's a LGBT scene near you I'd go there. I think that it's also important for you to realize that gay people come in all shapes and sizes (if you don't already). Even though I knew that, I still did not fully believe this deep down. I had internalized a lot of the negative messages you hear about lesbians in society. By meeting lots of actual lesbians, Googling which celebs are lesbian, and watching lesbian Youtubers, I eventually embraced that literally any type of person can be a lesbian and this helped me accept myself, too. Going to lesbian only spaces/parties and gay parties in general also helped me. I also watched a lot of lesbian movies, tv shows, etcetera to normalize being a lesbian for me. I made lesbian friends, having lesbian friends around that accept themselves, who celebrate loving women and with whom you can do 'lesbian things' like having lesbian movie nights helped a great deal. I allowed myself to be attracted to women - this can be a hard thing to do, especially if it makes you feel sick in the stomach, but by doing it, you will gradually become more accepting of your feelings for women over time. Just allow yourself to check women out, watch lesbian porn, talk about women, fantasize about women, fight against your feelings of shame and guilt, etc.

    Talk about your struggle to accept your sexuality. I did this a lot with a friend of mine of whom I knew that he'd be understanding and supportive. Preferably, you should do this with someone who isn't straight either and who has already accepted themselves, because they probably will understand your feelings better and will give you better advice because of that. Talking a lot about my feelings with my friend made me realize that my feelings were normal, that I wasn't alone in feeling them, and that there was light at the end of the tunnel. You could also write your feelings down in detail and then share what you've written with someone. Most importantly, allow yourself to feel all the emotions that you feel during the self acceptance process. Especially the negative ones. By allowing yourself to be angry, sad, etcetera, I believe you'll eventually process these negative feelings and start to accept yourself. Being a lesbian (or bisexual) isn't ideal, but it is not the end of the world either.
    What also helped me is that I stopped caring about what other people think about me being a lesbian (this was a hard thing to do though, but I would definitely work towards this). Surround yourself with people who accept you, respect you and who are willing to listen to what you have to say. Having them around makes it way easier to deal with ignorant, bigoted, disrespectful and rude people.

    That's about all the tips I can think of right now.

    I have no idea if you're a lesbian or bisexual, by the way, since you could be bi because you say that men arouse you sometimes. I think that you should just go for it when you think that you're attracted to a man and see how that feels. It could also be that you're so heavily repressed that you think that you feel something for men because you don't want to be gay. I think that you'll figure out what your sexuality is through time and experience though, so I wouldn't stress yourself out too much about what your sexuality is right now.
     
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    Thank you so much loveislife. I appreciate you giving me so much advice about what you went through. I think I'm just going to try to just leave it all alone and just be more open and live my life and see whatever happens like you said and hopefully figure it out that way one day! Thanks again.
     
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    No problem! Oh, a few more things: I also think that it's important to realize that you're not alone. I struggled a lot with being a lesbian because I thought that it would be way harder for me to find love because so few women are into women and I feared that I'd never find a woman that I loved who loved me back. Being straight is definitely easier but I know realize that I have plenty of options still. If I'm correct, you Americans think that about 2 percent of the population is attracted to the same sex, but recent studies in my country have shown that about 6 to 7 percent of the population is estimated to be into the same sex. That might not sound like a lot, but it is in numbers. And in the end, you only need to find one person among the 6 to 7 percent (or 2 percent or whatever percentage it truly is, you're still talking about a lot of people anyway).

    Oh, and go to pride if you can! Even better, try to be in a pride parade. It helped me a lot to be in one standing next to out and proud people and to see how many people are accepting and supportive of gay people!

    Being on EC (reading the stories of others, posting stories myself, helping others) helped me as well. And I also like L chat because it is a lesbian space and no one talks about struggling with their sexuality there (it's nice to see women being positive about being into women). Queer women are mainly worshiping women and ships of two women there and they also talk about other lesbian topics. There's also a lot of hate on there though in some of the threads that is usually directed at anyone who is not a gold star lesbian, so be mentally prepared for that.

    Good luck!
     
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