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  1. Choucho

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    These are some myths I found. I think I'm going to have to make more than one post to fit everything in, but I'll bold some stuff for people who don't want to read EVERYTHING. Of course, people here probably already knew all of these things, but it's still rather encouraging to see an official study backing us up for once.

    MYTH #1: Lesbians and gay men are always easy to identify.
    People often use lesbian and gay stereotypes to identify a person's sexual orientation, such as gay men are effeminate and lesbians are butch. A study conducted to see if people could accurately identify a person's sexual orientation after watching a series of video taped interviews. Close to 80% of the subjects were unable to identify the person's sexual orientation (Berger et al, 1987). Some studies have found that lesbians do rate higher on masculinity scores, which comes largely from their high self-rating as independent. The measures of masculinity and femininity tend to be gender-biased and are not very useful in the study of gay men and lesbians.

    The homosexual community is very diverse and its members can not be neatly categorized into stereotypes based on myths and appearance.
    Only when we dispel these stereotypes, that continue to fuel people's homophobic attitudes, will people realize that there are more similarities than differences between the gay and straight population.

    MYTH #2: All lesbians are either butch or femme.
    Some gay women are, but many believe they do not have to adopt such restrictive roles in order to express their love of women. This does not mean we should pass judgment on those women who are in butch-femme relationships and who are happy with their roles.
    The butch-femme myth stems from the visibility of the butch lesbian. The butch lesbian also reinforces the myth that lesbians can not get a man and the butch- femme relationship is acting out the man-woman relationship which is what all women really want.
    Lesbianism is NOT a dislike of men. Lesbianism is an inclination, a positive emotional, physical attraction to other women. Lesbianism (& homosexuality) is not just a sexual activity -- it is something that spans beyond a person's physical behavior.

    MYTH #3: Women become lesbians because they had bad or negative sexual experiences with men.
    A 1990 study of lesbian and female students found that there was no significant difference in their traumatic heterosexual experiences. Both lesbians and heterosexual women reported the same number of traumatic experiences (incest, molestation, rape, physical abuse). Most women said they began to question their sexual orientation because they felt strong emotional and/or sexual bonds with women and NOT because they felt an aversion towards men.

    MYTH #4: Openly gay teachers, professors, professionals and other role models are dangerous because they will try to recruit people to homosexuality.
    Opponents of openly gay teachers and other role models argue that students may wish to be like their teachers and/or professors given their position of authority and prestige. An openly gay teacher or professor can, however, provide a positive role model for those students in the minority, who are gay or know they are going to be gay and who desperately need support and understanding.
    Openly gay men or lesbians in positions of authority, such as in education, politics, religious institutions, the medical profession, etc. help to dispel the myth of homosexuals as socially maladjusted and unstable.
    It is highly unlikely that one role model could override all the messages that reinforce heterosexuality in society.

    MYTH #5: Homosexuals want to lower the age of consent laws for sexual activity so that they can have access to young children and try to convert them.
    In Canada, the age of consent for sexual activity for homosexuals is 21. For heterosexuals, it ranges from 14 to 18, depending on the province, sex and marital status of the individual.
    Age of consent laws do not deal specifically with adult-child relations. These laws also prevent young people from having sex with each other. There is no justification for the existence of separate age of consent laws according to one's sexual orientation. It is merely another example of homophobia and misconceptions about homosexuality.


    MYTH #6: Gay men tend to be pedophiles and molest children.
    The perpetrators of child sexual abuse are overwhelmingly men; very few women are offenders. The abuser is usually a member of the child's family or someone known by the family. Pedophiles, men who have a sexual preference for children, constitute less than 1% of the adult male population. Pedophiles are quite distinct from adult gay men who prefer adult sexual partners. Studies have shown no correlation between a man's sexual orientation and a tendency to sexually abuse children
    Homosexual pedophiles are considered a perversion of the normal homosexual man in the same way that heterosexual pedophiles are also a perversion. Heterosexual men are twice as likely to sexually abuse children as homosexual men are. There is solid evidence that over 92% of child abuse cases, including same gender sexual abuse, are perpetrated by heterosexuals.
    The number of reported child abuse cases have increased over the past five years. It is crucial that we address the issue of child sexual abuse objectively and recognize that this abuse is occurring behind to many closed doors in so-called traditional family homes.

    MYTH #7: Gay men and lesbians have limited social support networks.
    In a homophobic society, it is certainly important for lesbians and gay men to build their own community to overcome social stigma and alienation. Research has shown that both heterosexuals and homosexuals shared similar beliefs in the value of social support. Both report receiving similar amount of support but their sources differed.
    Gay men and lesbians tended to depend more on friends and their partners and less on relatives and family than heterosexuals did. Despite the obstacles to the creation of meaningful support networks, many lesbians and gay men are able to develop circles of significant and supportive people.
    No one should be made to feel guilty about loving someone, regardless of sexual orientation. Society should address negative stereotypes and intolerance expressed towards homosexuality, rather than condemn people for expressing their love for another human being.

    MYTH #8: Gay, lesbians, and bisexual people cannot and do not want long-term relationships.
    The stereotype is of the lonely gay man or woman drifting from one sexual liaison to another, never satisfied and never committed.
    Studies have shown that between 40-60% of gay men are in steady relationships. These figures are probably higher because men in long term relationships tend to be older and less likely to go to bars, where these statistics were recorded.
    Between 45-80% of lesbians are in steady relationships. In most studies, the proportion of lesbians in an on-going relationship was close to 75%.
    It is hard to judge how long these partnerships last given the lack of marriage records. The few studies on older lesbians and gay men have shown that relationships lasting longer than 20 years are common.
    Another study compared the rate of break-up between lesbian, gay, and co-habitating and married heterosexual couples over an 18 month period. For all couples who had been together for more than 10 years the rate of break-up was:
    • 6% for lesbians,
    • 4% for gay men,
    • 4% for married couples.
    For couples together for less than 2 years, only 1 in 5 relationships ended over the 18-month period. Overall the difference in break-up rates between homosexual and heterosexual couples is almost insignificant.
    In general, a pattern of continuity and stability was seen in all the relationships.

    MYTH #9: One person always plays the role of husband and the other the wife in homosexual relationships.
    Invariably many people ask which partner is the man and which is the woman.
    Research has shown that most lesbian and gay men actively reject traditional husband-wife or masculine-feminine roles as a model for homosexual relationships. Clear-cut or obvious husband-wife roles are uncommon.
    Differences between the partners may be based on age, with the older partner acting as a mentor or role model.

    MYTH #10: Gay men can not be monogamous.

    A study of gay male couples indicated that only 20% of relationships were sexually open. Many of the other couples followed a wide variety of patterns -- as diverse as a similar survey of heterosexual couples indicated (Blasband & Peplau, 1985).

    MYTH #11: Gay relationships are abnormal and dysfunctional.

    A study of heterosexual university students found that the belief that gay relationships are inferior to those of heterosexuals is widely held. The students assumed that somehow the depth of feeling and commitment was not the same (Testa, Kinder, Ironson, 1987).
    Studies have shown that, when homosexual and heterosexual couples are compared, they do not differ regarding levels of love and satisfaction.
    There are no differences comparing the quality of the relationship and strength of the commitment between homosexual and heterosexual couples (Duff & Rusbult, 1986).
    In summary, homosexual partnerships appear no more vulnerable (or more immune) to problems and dissatisfaction than their heterosexual counterparts.
     
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    This one on the other hand, not so encouraging.

    Myth #1
    Homosexuality is normal and biologically determined.

    The truth...
    There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Biological factors may play a role in the predisposition to homosexuality. However, this is true of many other psychological conditions.
    Research suggests that social and psychological factors are strongly influential. Examples include problems in early family relationships, sexual seduction, and sense of inadequacy with same-sex peers, with resulting disturbance in gender identity. Society can also influence a sexually questioning youth when it encourages gay self-labeling.

    Myth #2
    Homosexuals cannot change, and if they try, they will suffer great emotional distress and become suicidal. Therefore, treatment to change homosexuality must be stopped.

    The truth...
    Psychotherapists around the world who treat homosexuals report that significant numbers of their clients have experienced substantial healing. Change has come through psychological therapy, spirituality, and ex-gay support groups. Whether leading married or committed celibate lives, many report that their homosexual feelings have diminished greatly, and do not trouble them as much as they had in the past.
    The keys to change are desire, persistence, and a willingness to investigate the conscious and unconscious conflicts from which the condition originated. Change comes slowly, usually over several years. Clients learn how to meet their needs for same-sex nurturance and affirmation without eroticizing the relationship. As they grow into their heterosexual potential, men and women typically experience a deeper and fuller sense of themselves as male or female.
    If some homosexuals do not wish to change, that is their choice, yet it is profoundly sad that gay-rights activists struggle against the right-to-treatment for other homosexuals who yearn for freedom from their attractions.

    Myth #3
    We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.

    The truth...
    Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.
     
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    I loved reading the first eleven myths. The "myth" parts were ridiculous (and funny) and it was refreshing to read the facts that proved them wrong.

    On the second three myths it was vice versa. The "myths" were more like FACTS and enlightening, while the "facts" were just plain disturbing and hard for me to read. Yeah, they pissed me off.

    Great posts though. :slight_smile:
     
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    Let me guess, one is from a reputable website and the other is from a religious/repentance/ex gay website?
    No surprises there.

    I love how the first 11 cite sources and state stastics and fact, whereas the second make claims with no sources, and back them up with no numbers or hard fact.

    But those first 11 myths were hilarious.
    It's sad that people believe them...
     
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    In 1967 when it was first "allowed", the age of consent for anal sex was 21. It was lowered to 18 in 1987 though there was a motion by NDP MP Svend Robinson to lower it to 14 to "match" heterosexual intercourse. It should be noted that the law specifies Anal sex, so it applies to both homo- and hereto-sexual couples.

    18 was selected because:

    Medical evidence does indicate different kinds of psychological or physical harm may attach to different types of intercourse for young persons. Medical experts are not certain at what age sexual preference is established, and many argue that the age is fixed only in the later teen years. Also the question here is the heightened danger of contracting Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome or other sexually transmitted disease from penetration.

    So for a variety of reasons, quite unrelated to any question of discrimination at all, I think there are a number of bases upon which we have proposed that this provision should satisfy the recommendations of the two commissions which spent a lot of time considering appropriateness of changes in the law with respect to the whole area of child sexual relations. So we have brought forward legislation which is based on the recommendations of Badgley and Fraser.
    -Minister of Justice, Raymond Hnatyshyn,
     
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    Hm, I didn't know it had been changed. I just thought it was an interesting point in the article. I can see their reasoning behind that. I'm guessing the writer of the article did not know either, because I don't believe it was that old.
    As for the second one, I believe it came from the NAFTA site.
     
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    OK, telling this
    to the kids will lead to this?
    I don't think so:dry:

    Anyways, I thought Myth#4 was pretty funny:grin:
     
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    Yes. Basically they're trying to scare parents by telling them if they tell their kids it's okay to be gay, the kids will end up killing themselves. -_- The only reason gay people (well not the only, but the only one strictly related to homosexuality) do those things is because of people like whoever wrote that article.
    *explodes and confetti and party streamers rain down on you all because that's just how gay I am*
    So anyway. Yes, I find most of the myths in the first one funny, but at the same time it's sad that some people truly believe them. >.<
     
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    Yeah, it is sad.
    And I feel bad for people who truly believe in that...Because scientist has not invented a cure for idiots yet.
     
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    Yes, it's a shame really. Then again, with the amount of them there is in the world they'd probably have to add it to the list of things to put in the drinking water...
     
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    I just did a whole paper on the age of consent in Canada from a queer perspective (which supposedly was "excellent" according to the instructor although I haven't gotten it back yet). The 1987 reasoning for the different age of consent for anal sex is so "blame the victim" and "AIDS panic!" I mean, you're criminalising primarily gay male youth because by dint of their being gay they're going to face more prejudice, as if performing anal sex makes them more gay and more likely to be discriminated against. It's such ridiculous illogic that it really makes you sit back and go, "Gee, I wonder what's REALLY going on here?"

    Anyway, the reason I chose the topic aside from personal interest in queer youth issues is that Harper's Conservatives passed a bill, supported by pretty much all the parties, to raise the age of consent (apart from anal sex) from 14 to 16. It's had all but it's last reading in the Senate which means unless the government falls shortly before the Senate reconvenes in mid-September, it will be law at that point. So yeah, all you 14 to 16yos in Canada... make sure you're abreast of the law. There is gonna be a "close in age" exception for people who are no more than five years older than those who are 14 or 15yo but yeah if you happen to be 15 and involved with a 21yo, you will likely soon be breaking the law. And yes, that actually DOES happen... I just met a guy on the weekend who when he was 14 had a 21yo boyfriend. For two years.

    As for the anal sex thing being "sexuality" neutral, well it seems that way but in reality when it was first legal in 1969 (the legislation was initiated in 1967 but not passed until 1969), if you were under 21 or later under 18 and you were MARRIED to the person you were having anal sex with, you were exempt from the prohibition... and let's all remember that until very, very recently, only heterosexuals could marry one another. So straight people had a way around the anal sex provisions which gay people could not access. Plus just anecdotally anal sex is much more of a gay sex activity than a straight one.

    And to finish things off, the anal sex provisions in the Criminal Code are written in such a way that anal sex is ALWAYS illegal... unless you happen to meet certain criteria (you are both 18 or older, or you are married/common-law). Which I think is quite fascinating.

    Anyway if anyone wants to take a look at the paper, let me know. I basically compared the recent age of consent debates in Canada with those in the UK. It's pretty interesting. I'm really hoping for an A+ but we'll see.