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girllove · 1st Nov 2009, 01:33 PM

i've always wondered why parents would send their kids to an all-(insert gender) school. Wouldn't that be promoting same sex love?? I mean, come on? Who else is there to make out with? The janitor? hahaha i wonder if the people who go there are bi/gay for life rather than being L/G UG. what do u guys think? honestly, i think it's a playground for those of us who swing that way

littledinosaurs · 1st Nov 2009, 01:40 PM

The whole idea to an all-boys/girls school is to eliminate the distraction of sex(at least for high schools). It's based on the idea that everyone is straight. But women's colleges are (generally) for women to go to school and get a great education while stilling keeping the school's history of being a place where women could go. But most of them are lesbian hot zones anyways. (like Smith, Simmons etc)

Lychee · 1st Nov 2009, 02:04 PM

I go to an all-girls school, and have since grade 6. The reason I go there is because it has been proven that girls learn better without boys, but boys learn better with girls. This is because lots of girls feel that being intelligent isn't sexy, so they try to dumb themselves down if there are boys in the class.

All-girls schools have a different atmosphere. Yeah, they're more bitchy, and you're judged on your clothes and stuff, but they are really nice in the way that there isn't a distraction of there being hot boys around. No one at my school would think about "making out" with anyone during school hours, coz that's not what we're there for.

Also, as we don't have that large of an emphasis on sport. The school does hold inter-house (like the Hogwarts houses) sport matches at lunchtimes, but the emphasis is more on having-a-go than the elite sportspeople playing. I know that if I went to a co-ed school I would definitely not be participating in sport for fear of embarrassment.

As for the whole gay thing, everyone assumes that because I go to an all-girls school I'm a lesbian. But really, I don't know anyone in my school who is openly gay. I know two people are bi, but it's not common knowledge, they just told me for some random reason.

Apocalypte · 1st Nov 2009, 02:10 PM

I went to an all-girls Catholic school from 2nd year to Leaving Cert, and seriously hated it. The amount of cattiness was absolutely insane, and if anyone had even the slightest suspicion that you were anything other than straight you'd be ostracised (both by students and staff, prefects in my school were picked on the basis of academics - I was top of my year in exams and wasn't picked because I triggered half the year's gaydar). Academics were relatively strong, but subjects like languages and history were pushed far more than the sciences, which annoyed the crap out of me.

Strangely enough, I felt much more comfortable when I went to college and was in mostly male-dominated classes. My graduating class was 90% male. I think I'm just naturally quite butch/masculine-brained!

1st Nov 2009, 02:22 PM

To add both boys and girls learn differently, So sending boys and girls to public schools is a basic education while school for girls emphisize creativity and boys schools emphisize group work or somthing like that, I forgot. Private school is more efficent at helping students learn while public schools is basic. Its also an expected golden rule to throw your child out of private school by grade 9-12 so they can get a daily dose of real world socialization. It has way more to do with than sex.

Now the LGBT high schools like the one in NewYork are amazing. I think they are still at 99% graduation rate because the kids there feel accepted and cared for something a lot of schools rarely do for students. Plus the school eliminates bullying something a lot of schools think they do. Students feel safe and not weird.

You can look at schools like Juliard, sure its a college but if all the students are intrested in the same thing and are surrounded by people who understand and can relate to them, you have a happy student who is happy and greatful to be learning. So an all boy's/girl's are full of their people all guys, all girls. Upperclass, motivated, students who are intrested in the same thing. Equality so to speak.

So separating students by schools isnt about sex but done and pushed for so they have a better opportunity at learning at a socialy less stressful enviornment for a larger portion of the students who go there. Now the foundation is there for a socialy less stressful enviornment but we know that is not always the case.

Just Adam · 1st Nov 2009, 02:31 PM

all i can think is i kinda wish id gone to an all boys school lol...might of gotten a better education and i dunno might of been nice.

wherewulfe · 1st Nov 2009, 04:40 PM

i go to all guys school...to be honest, i cant compare it to anything seeing thats the only High school ive gone to. but from what i see, there is a lot more homophobia...atleast when a gay guy comes out in a public school they have girls who like to have gay best freinds to fall back on. for me...all i got is myself

Paragon · 1st Nov 2009, 04:54 PM

my 8 year old cousin has just started going to an all boys school and he will be for the rest of his education...
Hes not the most boyish of little boys so im wondering, even though its impossible to tell with sum1 so young, could it affect him? idk

girllove · 1st Nov 2009, 05:15 PM

yeah i guess the enviro really depends a lot on the people( so profound haha) but still, don't you think that the rates of gay people are higher in same sex schools? I guess that's just a stereotype. I wonder if it would be easier to be a girl or a guy if they were placed in same sex schools. i think guys seem to be more homophobic than women, but that's just me

Lychee · 1st Nov 2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by girllove

don't you think that the rates of gay people are higher in same sex schools?

No.

1st Nov 2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lychee

Quote:

Originally Posted by girllove

don't you think that the rates of gay people are higher in same sex schools?

No.

Agreed. I think, if anything, the rates of homosexual activity might be higher, but not rates of homosexual people.

**Maddy** · 1st Nov 2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by girllove

don't you think that the rates of gay people are higher in same sex schools?

Nope. If you're gay, you're gay, the school you go to isn't going to change your sexuality.

haelmarie · 1st Nov 2009, 05:29 PM

It's funny you mention this, because where I live, they're planning to create a public all-boys school.

I absolutely loathe my all-boys school. 99% of the kids are complete dickwads. I would be far happier in a co-ed school, or even a more academically-driven all boys school, but my school is somewhat notorious for attracting less than savoury characters, so I don't think it's purely the all-boys factor.

I'm somewhat skeptical over the claim that it makes a difference in education. I think a motivated student is going to do well, no matter where she or he goes, and a run of the mill student will continue to be run of the mill wherever she or her goes. It's a really a choice up to the student to make.

George · 1st Nov 2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddy

Nope. If you're gay, you're gay, the school you go to isn't going to change your sexuality.

Yup, this.

Also, keep in mind that in all-boy schools less and less guys would want to come out of the closet because the whole alpha-male thing will be going on, and there won't really be anyone for them to relate to, whereas in co-ed more guys would come out because girls generally are more accepting than guys.

digsy · 1st Nov 2009, 07:22 PM

I went to an all-boys Catholic school for 6 years. I really enjoyed my time there, 4 years on my best high school friends are still my best friends. However, I would never have dreamed of coming out while at school. Maybe that would have been different at a co-ed school (or maybe not). And yeah, there were a lot of assholes there, but there were also a lot of great people. When it comes down to it though, if I ever have kids they won't be going to a one-sex school. I think learning daily social interaction with both genders is too important.

Pseudojim · 1st Nov 2009, 08:36 PM

the girls' school and boys' school kids i know as a trend seem to be even more sex obsessed than us co-eds.

Lychee · 1st Nov 2009, 09:57 PM

If I have kids they are most likely going to single-sex private schools for high school and co-ed public primary schools.

Stuie · 1st Nov 2009, 10:48 PM

My school is all-boys, however it probably has the highest proportion of out gay guys in the entire state.

We have a large and active GSA, which is extremely rare in Australia. The GSA movement hasn't really spread here yet. The fact it is academically selective also probably plays a large role in it. The people there have to pass a fairly difficult academic exam to get in, so there's no really dumb bunnies here, so the majority of people (with a few exceptions of course) are very accepting, which is a really great environment for teenagers coming out, as the people in younger year levels have out gays to see, including ones who aren't so stereotypical.

However this also a product of our current school administration who are really willing to support everything they possibly can. Our sister school however, is a much less friendly place for lesbians as the administration has given a flat out no to any GSA thing possibly running. I think my school is more of an exception to the rule as well. It's a rather strange school anyway.

Pseudojim · 1st Nov 2009, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuie

My school is all-boys, however it probably has the highest proportion of out gay guys in the entire state.

We have a large and active GSA, which is extremely rare in Australia. The GSA movement hasn't really spread here yet. The fact it is academically selective also probably plays a large role in it. The people there have to pass a fairly difficult academic exam to get in, so there's no really dumb bunnies here, so the majority of people (with a few exceptions of course) are very accepting, which is a really great environment for teenagers coming out, as the people in younger year levels have out gays to see, including ones who aren't so stereotypical.

However this also a product of our current school administration who are really willing to support everything they possibly can. Our sister school however, is a much less friendly place for lesbians as the administration has given a flat out no to any GSA thing possibly running. I think my school is more of an exception to the rule as well. It's a rather strange school anyway.

i went to an academically selective co-ed public school, the atmosphere for gays was kinda similar but not quite as friendly, i never knew of anyone being beaten up for being gay. There was a guy who was out of the closet from year 7 onward. I was friends with him from day 1 and never had an issue with him at all, but i know for a fact he was the subject of at least a little vilification. I had never heard of GSA before joining this forum. Sounds like you got it good dude!

dictionary · 2nd Nov 2009, 01:58 AM

Single Sex education deals with the very basic issue that Males and Females are very different...

Research shows that a girl's brain is different from a boy's brain, for instance girls mature allot earlier than boys and the latest research on brain development suggests that the female brain if fully developed at 21 and the male brain is only fully developed much latter at 25/26

Because of this boys and girls learn differently and to generalise when given a task boys will take a relaxed (or lazy) stance and leave it to the night before whereas girls will generally stress and get it over and done with put quite simply how a male and female perceive a task is quite different where a boy will ask the question "how many" girls will ask "what colour"

In single sex schools; girls have a higher participation in maths and science subjects than in co-educational schools and boys will have higher participation in traditionally "non masculine" subjects and activates. In short, single sex allows children to just be themselves.

___________________________

I have been at an all boys catholic school for the past 10 years, some would call that being institutionalised however this is an environment I have thrived on However there is a particular "jock culture" and I am under the understanding that in co-education this isn’t as prevalent but I could be wrong...

1st Nov 2009, 01:33 PM	#1
girllove Member Regular Member Gender: la femme Orientation: bisexualityyyy Out Status: inch by inch there'll come a day Location: middlonowhere, ny Age: 23 Posts: 16 Join Date: Sep 2009	all-(insert gender) schools and the questions i've always wondered why parents would send their kids to an all-(insert gender) school. Wouldn't that be promoting same sex love?? I mean, come on? Who else is there to make out with? The janitor? hahaha i wonder if the people who go there are bi/gay for life rather than being L/G UG. what do u guys think? honestly, i think it's a playground for those of us who swing that way

1st Nov 2009, 01:40 PM	#2
littledinosaurs J'essaie de Parler Français! :] Full Member Gender: Garçon Orientation: Bisexuel Location: Nouvelle-Angleterre. Age: 21 Posts: 2,351 Join Date: Sep 2008	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions The whole idea to an all-boys/girls school is to eliminate the distraction of sex(at least for high schools). It's based on the idea that everyone is straight. But women's colleges are (generally) for women to go to school and get a great education while stilling keeping the school's history of being a place where women could go. But most of them are lesbian hot zones anyways. (like Smith, Simmons etc) __________________ Âllo Là

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Lychee EC Addict Full Member Gender: Spazmatazz Orientation: Friendspage Location: Contrabassoon Posts: 1,739 Join Date: Aug 2008	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions I go to an all-girls school, and have since grade 6. The reason I go there is because it has been proven that girls learn better without boys, but boys learn better with girls. This is because lots of girls feel that being intelligent isn't sexy, so they try to dumb themselves down if there are boys in the class. All-girls schools have a different atmosphere. Yeah, they're more bitchy, and you're judged on your clothes and stuff, but they are really nice in the way that there isn't a distraction of there being hot boys around. No one at my school would think about "making out" with anyone during school hours, coz that's not what we're there for. Also, as we don't have that large of an emphasis on sport. The school does hold inter-house (like the Hogwarts houses) sport matches at lunchtimes, but the emphasis is more on having-a-go than the elite sportspeople playing. I know that if I went to a co-ed school I would definitely not be participating in sport for fear of embarrassment. As for the whole gay thing, everyone assumes that because I go to an all-girls school I'm a lesbian. But really, I don't know anyone in my school who is openly gay. I know two people are bi, but it's not common knowledge, they just told me for some random reason. __________________ We we we so excited.

1st Nov 2009, 02:10 PM	#4
Apocalypte Ytse Jamming. Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Lesbian Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 27 Posts: 2,217 Join Date: Oct 2008	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions I went to an all-girls Catholic school from 2nd year to Leaving Cert, and seriously hated it. The amount of cattiness was absolutely insane, and if anyone had even the slightest suspicion that you were anything other than straight you'd be ostracised (both by students and staff, prefects in my school were picked on the basis of academics - I was top of my year in exams and wasn't picked because I triggered half the year's gaydar). Academics were relatively strong, but subjects like languages and history were pushed far more than the sciences, which annoyed the crap out of me. Strangely enough, I felt much more comfortable when I went to college and was in mostly male-dominated classes. My graduating class was 90% male. I think I'm just naturally quite butch/masculine-brained! __________________ "I like my beer cold...my TV loud...and my homosexuals flaming." - Homer Simpson

1st Nov 2009, 02:22 PM	#5
Legnaj Guest Posts: n/a	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions To add both boys and girls learn differently, So sending boys and girls to public schools is a basic education while school for girls emphisize creativity and boys schools emphisize group work or somthing like that, I forgot. Private school is more efficent at helping students learn while public schools is basic. Its also an expected golden rule to throw your child out of private school by grade 9-12 so they can get a daily dose of real world socialization. It has way more to do with than sex. Now the LGBT high schools like the one in NewYork are amazing. I think they are still at 99% graduation rate because the kids there feel accepted and cared for something a lot of schools rarely do for students. Plus the school eliminates bullying something a lot of schools think they do. Students feel safe and not weird. You can look at schools like Juliard, sure its a college but if all the students are intrested in the same thing and are surrounded by people who understand and can relate to them, you have a happy student who is happy and greatful to be learning. So an all boy's/girl's are full of their people all guys, all girls. Upperclass, motivated, students who are intrested in the same thing. Equality so to speak. So separating students by schools isnt about sex but done and pushed for so they have a better opportunity at learning at a socialy less stressful enviornment for a larger portion of the students who go there. Now the foundation is there for a socialy less stressful enviornment but we know that is not always the case. Last edited by Legnaj; 1st Nov 2009 at 02:25 PM..

1st Nov 2009, 02:31 PM	#6
Just Adam Just passing through Full Member Gender: Something Orientation: Dunno Out Status: If they ask i will tell them Location: Wherever Age: 23 Posts: 6,002 Join Date: Mar 2009	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions all i can think is i kinda wish id gone to an all boys school lol...might of gotten a better education and i dunno might of been nice. __________________ There Used To Be A Point Of Things.

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wherewulfe what a wicked gang are we Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: i counted to 100 and just kept counting Location: Buffalo New York Age: 19 Posts: 217 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions i go to all guys school...to be honest, i cant compare it to anything seeing thats the only High school ive gone to. but from what i see, there is a lot more homophobia...atleast when a gay guy comes out in a public school they have girls who like to have gay best freinds to fall back on. for me...all i got is myself

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Paragon ECs Dramatic Fanboy! Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Bi, but more on the gay side. Out Status: Around 8-12 people, but still closeted to most. Location: Ireland Age: 17 Posts: 325 Join Date: Sep 2009	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions my 8 year old cousin has just started going to an all boys school and he will be for the rest of his education... Hes not the most boyish of little boys so im wondering, even though its impossible to tell with sum1 so young, could it affect him? idk __________________ Jessica Stam's #1 fan, I'm sorta like her e-stalker, stealing things like usernames, Pictures, Random Information, ETC.

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girllove Member Regular Member Gender: la femme Orientation: bisexualityyyy Out Status: inch by inch there'll come a day Location: middlonowhere, ny Age: 23 Posts: 16 Join Date: Sep 2009	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions yeah i guess the enviro really depends a lot on the people( so profound haha) but still, don't you think that the rates of gay people are higher in same sex schools? I guess that's just a stereotype. I wonder if it would be easier to be a girl or a guy if they were placed in same sex schools. i think guys seem to be more homophobic than women, but that's just me

1st Nov 2009, 05:29 PM	#13
haelmarie it's ok to be afraid Full Member Gender: No. Orientation: No. Age: 18 Posts: 767 Join Date: Oct 2009	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions It's funny you mention this, because where I live, they're planning to create a public all-boys school. I absolutely loathe my all-boys school. 99% of the kids are complete dickwads. I would be far happier in a co-ed school, or even a more academically-driven all boys school, but my school is somewhat notorious for attracting less than savoury characters, so I don't think it's purely the all-boys factor. I'm somewhat skeptical over the claim that it makes a difference in education. I think a motivated student is going to do well, no matter where she or he goes, and a run of the mill student will continue to be run of the mill wherever she or her goes. It's a really a choice up to the student to make.

1st Nov 2009, 07:22 PM	#15
digsy Member Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 24 Posts: 73 Join Date: Jul 2008	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions I went to an all-boys Catholic school for 6 years. I really enjoyed my time there, 4 years on my best high school friends are still my best friends. However, I would never have dreamed of coming out while at school. Maybe that would have been different at a co-ed school (or maybe not). And yeah, there were a lot of assholes there, but there were also a lot of great people. When it comes down to it though, if I ever have kids they won't be going to a one-sex school. I think learning daily social interaction with both genders is too important.

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Pseudojim Part robot Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Bi - Kinsey 2ish Out Status: All but family Location: Australia Age: 27 Posts: 2,154 Join Date: Sep 2009	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions the girls' school and boys' school kids i know as a trend seem to be even more sex obsessed than us co-eds.

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Lychee EC Addict Full Member Gender: Spazmatazz Orientation: Friendspage Location: Contrabassoon Posts: 1,739 Join Date: Aug 2008	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions If I have kids they are most likely going to single-sex private schools for high school and co-ed public primary schools. __________________ We we we so excited.

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Stuie Hugs - $POA Full Member Gender: e^(πi) +1 = 0 Orientation: Schnoo Out Status: Moo Cow Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 19 Posts: 1,463 Join Date: Aug 2008	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions My school is all-boys, however it probably has the highest proportion of out gay guys in the entire state. We have a large and active GSA, which is extremely rare in Australia. The GSA movement hasn't really spread here yet. The fact it is academically selective also probably plays a large role in it. The people there have to pass a fairly difficult academic exam to get in, so there's no really dumb bunnies here, so the majority of people (with a few exceptions of course) are very accepting, which is a really great environment for teenagers coming out, as the people in younger year levels have out gays to see, including ones who aren't so stereotypical. However this also a product of our current school administration who are really willing to support everything they possibly can. Our sister school however, is a much less friendly place for lesbians as the administration has given a flat out no to any GSA thing possibly running. I think my school is more of an exception to the rule as well. It's a rather strange school anyway. __________________ STRAAAAAAAAAAAWURUWERT AND THE LESBIANS! MADDATRON3000X's (Maddy) Fag Hag Loves Pauline in the form of the equation f(x): (-∞,2) -> R, 2^-x

2nd Nov 2009, 01:58 AM	#20
dictionary EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: A few people Location: Melbourne Age: 19 Posts: 459 Join Date: Sep 2007	Re: all-(insert gender) schools and the questions Single Sex education deals with the very basic issue that Males and Females are very different... Research shows that a girl's brain is different from a boy's brain, for instance girls mature allot earlier than boys and the latest research on brain development suggests that the female brain if fully developed at 21 and the male brain is only fully developed much latter at 25/26 Because of this boys and girls learn differently and to generalise when given a task boys will take a relaxed (or lazy) stance and leave it to the night before whereas girls will generally stress and get it over and done with put quite simply how a male and female perceive a task is quite different where a boy will ask the question "how many" girls will ask "what colour" In single sex schools; girls have a higher participation in maths and science subjects than in co-educational schools and boys will have higher participation in traditionally "non masculine" subjects and activates. In short, single sex allows children to just be themselves. ___________________________ I have been at an all boys catholic school for the past 10 years, some would call that being institutionalised however this is an environment I have thrived on However there is a particular "jock culture" and I am under the understanding that in co-education this isn’t as prevalent but I could be wrong...