(For Americans) Our rights are slowly decaying..

Most Americans, except for the extremely closeted ones (or the ones that simply don't care) have noticed that our constitutional rights are being increasingly diminished in the efforts of "counter-terrorism"

The USA Patriot Act, allows for the government to search our homes, our medical records, our library records, our emails, our phone-records, and wire-tape our phones without a warrant. All they have to say is "You're a terrorist." They don't need evidence. They just need to say that.

People who are called "terrorists" with no evidence at all are thrown into detention camps where people in charge use "enhanced interrogation" techniques on prisoners. That means they waterboard you, put electrodes on your genitals and shock you, and so on.

There are over 2,000,000 everyday Americans on the possible terrorist list, and it is growing every single day. There are not 2,000,000 terrorists in America.

Countries like the UK, Spain, and France all do the same to fight terrorism, both domestic and foreign. But there is one difference, they don't restrict the right of their citizens in the process.

(unrelated to terrorism) The Supreme Court actually just passed a revision on the Miranda warning, which is what police say to you when you're arrested. This is what they will have to say:

So now, you don't have the right to remain silent unless you specifically say you want it (and that's not something that's going through your mind when you're being arrested.) Sure, you can have a lawyer, but not right now. We'll wait a week to get you one. Oh, you want a lawyer now? Sorry, it's day 15. The high court has completely turned the Miranda warning upside down and destroyed the entire point of it.

Here is a documentary (about 80 minutes long, and the name is very dramatic) that describes all of this in great detail:

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There is so much more. But I want to know what your opinion on all of this is (even if you're not from the US.) Do you think we need to prevent this? Do you think this is good? Do you think this is just all complete BS, even though time and time again it's been proven true?

Please don't attack people. Just post what you think without being rude.

 

Ah so the UK was doing what the US is doing now?

Interesting, I didn't know that. At least your new government acknowledges it's failure to rule responsibly in the past. So good for them. Unlike now, Obama actually signed an extension to the USA Patriot Act back in February. >:|

And I agree, history is repeating itself, and we (the world) have began to accept the loss of liberties, and it does not sit well with me either. :|

Also I was expecting people to shoot at me when I posted this. I am so glad more people have realized this than I thought.

 

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

And it's only been a little more than two hundred years since the country was founded and we're already losing our basic foundations.

 

I love quotes from the founding fathers. Even though they are nearly 300 years old, they still show more intelligence and more progression than anyone in power today.

 

You've seemed to just pick and chose things I have said and said they are false, so I shall clarify as you clearly do not know how to read.

Under the USA Patriot Act, it allows for the government to search our homes, wire-tap our phones, access our medical records, access our library records, and access our phone records without evidence if and only if they say they suspect us of terrorism, plans to commit terrorism, or association with terrorists. They just need to say it, they don't need evidence. They can't do that with any other crime. Please read.

I didn't say they repealed the requirement for the Miranda warning. I said they changed what needs to be said, and what was in the quote is what the police will say (notice the use of the future tense) when the revision of the law takes place if they do take place. The Supreme Court passed it. Please read.

Uh, yes there is. We even wrote it for some of them after World War 2 (Japan, Italy, Germany.) :lol:

There is a pure right to free speech in the United Kingdom (Great Britain, Wales, Scotland, Northern Irelend) that is set into affect by Article 10 of the Human Rights Act enforced by the European Convention.

And you seem to be missing the point. I said they fought terrorism without taking away civil rights of their citizens. The French and Belgium (yes, it was passed) banned the full Muslim veil because it was demeaning towards women. Not because it was involved in a religion where there were a small group of people that distorted Islam so much where you can barely even call it Islam to begin with. Both France and Belgium seemed to have forgotten though that the women choose to wear the full Muslim veil, they can chose to not wear it, they can chose whatever they want. Which is why I am against the banning of them, but that's besides the point.

 

The USA Patriot Act has nothing to do with taxes, and they would search your stuff without good reason. They have done it before to thousands of people, all on record. Watch the documentary if you don't believe me. They've actually sent people away to prisons for years without a trial, without attorneys, without any other reason than "They might be a terrorist." And like I said before, 2,000,000+ everyday Americans are on the government's "They might be a terrorist." list. That is the list where they put SSSS on your boarding pass when going onto a plane.

And he already extended the Patriot Act. Now, I am not an Obama hater. I think he's a decent president. But extending the Patriot Act..:|

 

Count me as one of the people who don't care.

 

Oh..damn XD

I fail at detecting trolling..obviously..

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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

 

It was a general statement.

Also, if you seriously think terrorism can even possibly take millions of lives..

Not to mention the fact that terrorism isn't the only threat the US has had. We did the same thing with communism and witches. Not to mention terrorists don't have chemical and biological warfare capabilities, or they would have used them already.

I'm not even going to bother reading your posts here, because apparently you can't stop to think before posting anything. And I don't want to end up saying rude things to you.

Hm..I hope I edited out the bad stuff before you got to this..:|