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Paper Heart · 2nd Feb 2011, 07:27 PM

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Rape is only really rape if it involves force. So says the new House Republican majority as it now moves to change abortion law.

For years, federal laws restricting the use of government funds to pay for abortions have included exemptions for pregnancies resulting from rape or incest. (Another exemption covers pregnancies that could endanger the life of the woman.) But the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," a bill with 173 mostly Republican co-sponsors that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has dubbed a top priority in the new Congress, contains a provision that would rewrite the rules to limit drastically the definition of rape and incest in these cases.

With this legislation, which was introduced last week by Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.), Republicans propose that the rape exemption be limited to "forcible rape." This would rule out federal assistance for abortions in many rape cases, including instances of statutory rape, many of which are non-forcible....

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011...-rape-abortion

The scariest part about this is that it is not from The Onion.

maverick · 2nd Feb 2011, 07:29 PM

What?

I repeat - Do we not have better things to do?

thedreamwatch · 2nd Feb 2011, 07:31 PM

I saw the title of this thread and was like "whaaaaaaaaaaaaat, I have to comment on this" but after reading that all I can do is just shake my head.

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Originally Posted by Paper Heart

The scariest part about this is that it is not from The Onion.

^exactly.

Idonteven · 2nd Feb 2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick

What?

I repeat - Do we not have better things to do?

You'd think so wouldn't you? apparently not.

2nd Feb 2011, 09:09 PM

This makes me laugh. Watching the government run is like watching a sitcom.

aidan · 2nd Feb 2011, 09:32 PM

messing up the definition is certainly not going to help encourage the victims to report it.

this is stupid. i'm glad i'm not in america.

**Lexington** · 2nd Feb 2011, 10:30 PM

>>>messing up the definition is certainly not going to help encourage the victims to report it.

Precisely.

Lex

maverick · 2nd Feb 2011, 10:48 PM

Just going to end up with more quiet backroom "Are you sure you don't just regret something that happened in the heat of the moment, honey?" conversations in homes and police stations.

**Filip** · 2nd Feb 2011, 11:36 PM

I'm wondering: if its proponents can call it the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act", can't the opponents start calling it the "Statutory rape approval act"?

I might also be mistaken, but... is abortion funded by tax money at all? I was under the impression that it wasn't, and that this is just a big smokescreen to show people they're doing things while in reality nothing is changing. Like the previous "repeal" of the healthcare bill.

Regardless, asking people to fund their own abortion tends to lead to the rich getting safe abortions, and the poor using clothes hangers, if experience from my own country counts (though luckily that time is long past).
I'm not a fan of abortion and I'd rather see none performed at all, but if anything should be done, it should be expandig the options post-birth, not restricting those pre-birth.

MeredithAncret · 3rd Feb 2011, 05:37 AM

And my ever increasing need to move to a different country ramps up another notch or two. Hello New Zealand, I like you, you like me, why don't we get together?

Seriously though, who thinks that redefining rape is a good use of our time and taxpayer's dollars. Our government needs a good smack I think.

alpha · 3rd Feb 2011, 06:10 AM

fairly soon theyll legalise rape

!.
"its legal as long as your prey doesnt struggle. to hard"
*end saracasm*

Revan · 3rd Feb 2011, 06:55 AM

I think I'm going to be sick. Epic Fail.

Daniel · 3rd Feb 2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Revan

I think I'm going to be sick. Epic Fail.

I'm going to join you in that motion.

RedState · 3rd Feb 2011, 08:21 AM

I suppose I'm mostly pro-life, although abortion has never really been my thing. Some people have different political passions, this just happens not to be one of mine.

But, the question that begs to be asked is "is there any other kind of rape OTHER than forced rape?"

I thought the entire concept behind rape was the fact that someone was forcing someone else to engage in intercourse....I suppose i was wrong.

**Lexington** · 3rd Feb 2011, 08:30 AM

>>>But, the question that begs to be asked is "is there any other kind of rape OTHER than forced rape?"

They may as well just call this the "C'mon, She Totally Wanted It" law.

Lex

thedreamwatch · 3rd Feb 2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lexington

>>>But, the question that begs to be asked is "is there any other kind of rape OTHER than forced rape?"

They may as well just call this the "C'mon, She Totally Wanted It" law.

Lex

I almost laughed at this, Lex. And then realized how horrible it is that you are totally right.

BUT in response to Lexington: There is Statutory Rape, which I think shouldn't be called that. It's consensual but illegal nevertheless, for reasons that are mostly good, but still debatable.

Aya McCabre · 3rd Feb 2011, 03:07 PM

Even without redefining rape, they shouldn't be restricting taxpayer funding to abortion if it's medically necissary. Ok so some people don't agree with it, but some people don't agree with the death penalty or faith-based initiatives in schools. Their taxes still pay for them, so why not abortion?

V128 · 3rd Feb 2011, 03:40 PM

I simply can't believe that this is the kind of crap we pay them to do... like the whole gay marriage thing. Why do they get to waste time and money on these things???

roborama · 4th Feb 2011, 12:12 PM

wow.... that does not make me happy

Lotty · 4th Feb 2011, 12:23 PM

They must be really bored there. I mean, come on!
That's so sick.

2nd Feb 2011, 07:29 PM	#2
maverick let watchers become warriors Full Member Gender: You tell me. Orientation: Hey good lookin'. wink Out Status: It's pretty obvious. Location: Alabama cue banjos Age: 26 Posts: 2,118 Join Date: Nov 2010	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. What? I repeat - Do we not have better things to do? __________________ Shelter me oh genius words, just give me strength / to pen these things, and give me peace to well her wings / and oh, oh carry on, all you minstrels of the world, we will catch our lady's ear, we will win for us the girl.

2nd Feb 2011, 09:09 PM	#5
silvousplait Guest Posts: n/a	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. This makes me laugh. Watching the government run is like watching a sitcom.

2nd Feb 2011, 09:32 PM	#6
aidan EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Walsall, United Kingdom Age: 18 Posts: 260 Join Date: Jan 2011	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. messing up the definition is certainly not going to help encourage the victims to report it. this is stupid. i'm glad i'm not in america. __________________

2nd Feb 2011, 10:30 PM	#7
Lexington The gay gargoyle EC Advisor Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Colorado Age: 42 Posts: 12,372 Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. >>>messing up the definition is certainly not going to help encourage the victims to report it. Precisely. Lex

2nd Feb 2011, 10:48 PM	#8
maverick let watchers become warriors Full Member Gender: You tell me. Orientation: Hey good lookin'. wink Out Status: It's pretty obvious. Location: Alabama cue banjos Age: 26 Posts: 2,118 Join Date: Nov 2010	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. Just going to end up with more quiet backroom "Are you sure you don't just regret something that happened in the heat of the moment, honey?" conversations in homes and police stations. __________________ Shelter me oh genius words, just give me strength / to pen these things, and give me peace to well her wings / and oh, oh carry on, all you minstrels of the world, we will catch our lady's ear, we will win for us the girl.

2nd Feb 2011, 11:36 PM	#9
Filip Cecile's sidekick EC Advisor Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: All but extended family Location: Belgium, EU Age: 28 Posts: 3,366 Join Date: Feb 2009	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. I'm wondering: if its proponents can call it the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act", can't the opponents start calling it the "Statutory rape approval act"? I might also be mistaken, but... is abortion funded by tax money at all? I was under the impression that it wasn't, and that this is just a big smokescreen to show people they're doing things while in reality nothing is changing. Like the previous "repeal" of the healthcare bill. Regardless, asking people to fund their own abortion tends to lead to the rich getting safe abortions, and the poor using clothes hangers, if experience from my own country counts (though luckily that time is long past). I'm not a fan of abortion and I'd rather see none performed at all, but if anything should be done, it should be expandig the options post-birth, not restricting those pre-birth. __________________ To the world, you're somebody, but to somebody, you're the world...

3rd Feb 2011, 05:37 AM	#10
MeredithAncret Deadline-avoiding weasel Regular Member Gender: Female Orientation: Gayer than a tree full of monkeys on nitrous oxide Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 61 Join Date: Jan 2011	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. And my ever increasing need to move to a different country ramps up another notch or two. Hello New Zealand, I like you, you like me, why don't we get together? Seriously though, who thinks that redefining rape is a good use of our time and taxpayer's dollars. Our government needs a good smack I think. __________________ Many phenomena — wars, plagues, sudden audits — have been advanced as evidence for the hidden hand of Satan in the affairs of Man, but whenever students of demonology get together the M25 London orbital motorway is generally agreed to be among the top contenders for Exhibit A. - Good Omens

3rd Feb 2011, 06:10 AM	#11
alpha giant flaming eye of EC Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: everyone :D Location: hell Posts: 108 Join Date: Jan 2011	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. fairly soon theyll legalise rape !. "its legal as long as your prey doesnt struggle. to hard" end saracasm

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Revan EC Addict Full Member Gender: M for MEEP! Orientation: Mutant and Proud Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 24 Posts: 6,564 Join Date: Jun 2005	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. I think I'm going to be sick. Epic Fail. __________________ "Is there some reason my coffee isn't here? Has she died or something?" - Miranda Priestly. Strength is not defined by physical capacity, but by indomitable will. ~ Mahatma Gandhi Procrastination is like masturbation, in the end you just wind up screwing yourself.

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RedState The Grendel to Everyone's Beowulf Full Member Gender: Male Out Status: 2 Location: The Southeastern Conference Age: 30 Posts: 1,448 Join Date: Aug 2008	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. I suppose I'm mostly pro-life, although abortion has never really been my thing. Some people have different political passions, this just happens not to be one of mine. But, the question that begs to be asked is "is there any other kind of rape OTHER than forced rape?" I thought the entire concept behind rape was the fact that someone was forcing someone else to engage in intercourse....I suppose i was wrong. __________________

3rd Feb 2011, 08:30 AM	#15
Lexington The gay gargoyle EC Advisor Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Colorado Age: 42 Posts: 12,372 Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. >>>But, the question that begs to be asked is "is there any other kind of rape OTHER than forced rape?" They may as well just call this the "C'mon, She Totally Wanted It" law. Lex

3rd Feb 2011, 03:07 PM	#17
Aya McCabre Beware of the Metaphor Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Lesbian Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Dunedin, New Zealand Age: 21 Posts: 613 Join Date: Feb 2011	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. Even without redefining rape, they shouldn't be restricting taxpayer funding to abortion if it's medically necissary. Ok so some people don't agree with it, but some people don't agree with the death penalty or faith-based initiatives in schools. Their taxes still pay for them, so why not abortion? __________________ Time is on my side she said. He may be on your side I said, but it makes no difference in the end, He's coming after you my friend........

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V128 Member Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Arizona Age: 23 Posts: 79 Join Date: Jan 2011	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. I simply can't believe that this is the kind of crap we pay them to do... like the whole gay marriage thing. Why do they get to waste time and money on these things??? __________________ "I will bear the light, and the vision leads me onward." ~ Kansas "Distant Vision"

4th Feb 2011, 12:12 PM	#19
roborama EC's Teenage Grandma Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Fluid Out Status: Out to everyone Location: MA Age: 17 Posts: 397 Join Date: Jan 2011	Re: House Wants to Redefine Rape. Let the facepalm begin. wow.... that does not make me happy __________________ Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself. Harvey Fierstein

4th Feb 2011, 12:23 PM	#20
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