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Mr.Pushover · 25th Jul 2011, 03:00 PM

So I want to know your political views.

Personally, I think both sides of the spectrum are incredibly flawed.

(In my opinion)
Conservatives are stuck up jerks

Liberals are narrow-minded

Yeah, this is why I go with Libertarian =D

BUUT ANYWAYS tell me what you think about politics.

FJ Cruiser · 25th Jul 2011, 03:15 PM

I agree with you. As a whole, both parties are hypocritical panderers. The Dems like to act like they're some bastion of enlightenment, and the Repubs like to act like they're preserving tradition. They're both just serving their own means of course. The Libertarians have some weird fetish with privatization and seem more concerned with defending people's right to discriminate than actually standing up for the rights of the discriminated.

I'm going with independent. There are some good candidates here and there, regardless of political affiliation. I've voted for both Democrats and Republicans before.

**Martin** · 25th Jul 2011, 03:17 PM

Well politics itself tends to be portrayed as being narrow-minded, and those who fiercely defend political positions often act like stuck-up jerks. That's not aimed at any particular politicians or members, because people from all across the spectrum are guilty of it. The biggest issue I have with political ideologies is that they often encourage people to think in a particular way rather than let them decide for themselves. For example, somebody who really doesn't give a flying fuck about gay marriage would be expected to embrace it if they were liberal, or to reject it if conservative. It annoys me that people are expected to think a particular way based on their political label, and it's one of the reasons I refuse to attach a label to myself. The member RedState actually does a pretty good job at remaining indifferent to social issues as I've seen him make no secret that they don't concern him, but it's the conservatives who are against gay marriage simply to remain 'conservative' and appeal to their base that make me lose faith in politics. The same can be said for a 'liberal' who supports abortion (or replace this with any political issue) simply because that's considered the liberal thing to do. I'm all for people having their own beliefs, but I see too many people being influenced by an ideology rather than an ideology being influenced by the people.

Although to answer your question, I'd be independent. I like to consider myself a centrist as I support a range of liberal and conservative positions.

i'm also kinda tipsy, so I might not be making much sense.

MyDecember · 25th Jul 2011, 03:21 PM

Political Thread! I'm just going to wait until the party starts.

Bibliophile · 25th Jul 2011, 03:24 PM

I myself if I had to pick a political stance would call myself Libertarian. However I am not even fully a fan of all of their stances on things. I tend to lean from Libertarian to Republican on most issues. However there are a few issues I agree with the Dems on. I tend to consider the issue on its own and read as many sides of it as I can then make a judgement based on that.

**Owen** · 25th Jul 2011, 03:45 PM

Most of my political views are liberal, and I'd be lying if I said otherwise, but like Martin, I hate the way political ideologies lump all of these stances into one package and expect you to support the whole thing.

**lostinthought9** · 25th Jul 2011, 03:48 PM

Oooh, goody. A political thread. ^_^

I'm a moderate Democrat. Social Liberal, Fiscal Conservative; but really, it depends on the issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bibliophile

I tend to consider the issue on its own and read as many sides of it as I can then make a judgement based on that.

Well put.

Robert · 25th Jul 2011, 04:13 PM

Anarchist.

theWorldisYours · 25th Jul 2011, 05:11 PM

So my mother is a democrat, and to be fare she has the most influence over me. My father is a republican. growing up, they've had all sort of arguments over politics. I don't really label myself as far as politics go. I think that politicians, for the most part, all have motives that don't always agree with their election slogan if you know what I mean.

**Mogget** · 25th Jul 2011, 06:38 PM

It's best not to use "liberal" when talking to an international audience. It means leftist in the US, but elsewhere it means libertarian. But by US terms, I'm a liberal. One of the ones who thinks Obama is too right-wing. Way too right-wing.

Pseudojim · 25th Jul 2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HauntedLithium

(In my opinion)
Conservatives are stuck up jerks

Liberals are narrow-minded

.....

irony, anyone?

---------- Post added 26th Jul 2011 at 11:56 AM ----------

Anyways,

Social progressive.

Fiscally centrist.

Markio · 25th Jul 2011, 07:56 PM

I selected Independent. I'm kind of liberal in the sense that I try to use politically correct speech, but that's about it. I think I'm a bit naive when it comes to politics: when I watch presidential debates, I still expect candidates to answer the questions they're being asked.

starfish · 25th Jul 2011, 08:57 PM

I don't really don't fit into any of the political camps.

I know this is going to sound odd, but I tend to vote Libertian and Democrat. Though I do vote Republican for a few of the local offices, as I do like the candidate.

thedreamwatch · 25th Jul 2011, 09:17 PM

I tend to be pretty liberal, but I'm not just going to be a robot and vote my party for everything every single time. I guess I chose other because I honestly have to consider each candidate and each issue and each bit of everyone's platform to make a good decision otherwise I feel weird about it. I don't want to vote ignorantly or to be completely unaware of what's happening, so I have to stay up on what's going on and that's the only way I'll be able to figure out how I feel about politics and politicians.

Raeil · 26th Jul 2011, 01:59 AM

Recently, I've found myself moving from Libertarian to Liberal (although I could be misinterpreting the label) because a lot of my Libertarian ideology was supported by interpretation of Christian theology, and now that I'm no longer Christian I've had to re-evaluate my politics. So far, most views are moving towards Liberal so I picked that option. (again, I might be misinterpreting the label *facepalm*)

solarcat · 26th Jul 2011, 05:05 AM

I'm a liberal in the US. I believe that if it doesn't take away or infringe upon some else's rights, go for it. With exceptions, of course, but I am basically a leftist on most matters. I'd prefer not to tie myself down to a specific party, though.

Bowie · 26th Jul 2011, 05:09 AM

I am mostly leftist, but I think that most left-wing political/economic theories lack the realism that would make them feasible. In real politics, therefore, I lean more towards the centre.

Harve · 26th Jul 2011, 08:34 AM

I'd be rather liberal in the USA, centre-left in the UK, and centre-right in Scandinavia / southern Europe.

blikeo · 26th Jul 2011, 10:38 AM

im about as liberal as it gets(social+economy)

Callie · 26th Jul 2011, 12:17 PM

I'm a socialist.

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25th Jul 2011, 03:00 PM	#1
Mr.Pushover Thinks too much Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Dude who likes dudes. Out Status: Out as gay to some Location: Maryland Age: 16 Posts: 535 Join Date: Nov 2010	Politics So I want to know your political views. Personally, I think both sides of the spectrum are incredibly flawed. (In my opinion) Conservatives are stuck up jerks Liberals are narrow-minded Yeah, this is why I go with Libertarian =D BUUT ANYWAYS tell me what you think about politics.

25th Jul 2011, 03:15 PM	#2
FJ Cruiser EC Addict Full Member Gender: Guy Orientation: Guys Out Status: immediate family, a few friends Location: Deep in the Heart Age: 19 Posts: 520 Join Date: Jul 2011	Re: Politics I agree with you. As a whole, both parties are hypocritical panderers. The Dems like to act like they're some bastion of enlightenment, and the Repubs like to act like they're preserving tradition. They're both just serving their own means of course. The Libertarians have some weird fetish with privatization and seem more concerned with defending people's right to discriminate than actually standing up for the rights of the discriminated. I'm going with independent. There are some good candidates here and there, regardless of political affiliation. I've voted for both Democrats and Republicans before.

25th Jul 2011, 03:17 PM	#3
Martin EC's Red Queen EC Admin Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people Location: Merseyside, UK Age: 21 Posts: 8,047 Join Date: Nov 2007	Re: Politics Well politics itself tends to be portrayed as being narrow-minded, and those who fiercely defend political positions often act like stuck-up jerks. That's not aimed at any particular politicians or members, because people from all across the spectrum are guilty of it. The biggest issue I have with political ideologies is that they often encourage people to think in a particular way rather than let them decide for themselves. For example, somebody who really doesn't give a flying fuck about gay marriage would be expected to embrace it if they were liberal, or to reject it if conservative. It annoys me that people are expected to think a particular way based on their political label, and it's one of the reasons I refuse to attach a label to myself. The member RedState actually does a pretty good job at remaining indifferent to social issues as I've seen him make no secret that they don't concern him, but it's the conservatives who are against gay marriage simply to remain 'conservative' and appeal to their base that make me lose faith in politics. The same can be said for a 'liberal' who supports abortion (or replace this with any political issue) simply because that's considered the liberal thing to do. I'm all for people having their own beliefs, but I see too many people being influenced by an ideology rather than an ideology being influenced by the people. Although to answer your question, I'd be independent. I like to consider myself a centrist as I support a range of liberal and conservative positions. i'm also kinda tipsy, so I might not be making much sense. __________________ The blue whale ejaculates up to 40 gallons during sexual intercourse, but only 10 gallons enters the female. Do you still wonder why the sea tastes salty?

25th Jul 2011, 03:21 PM	#4
MyDecember I pause your thread! Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: All but family Location: Florida Age: 23 Posts: 365 Join Date: Jan 2011	Re: Politics Political Thread! I'm just going to wait until the party starts. __________________ This is my simple religion: There is no need for temples, there is no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is the temple;the philosophy is loving kindness and compassion --The XIVth Dalai Lama

25th Jul 2011, 03:24 PM	#5
Bibliophile EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: My sisters and close friends. Location: Connecticut Age: 26 Posts: 357 Join Date: Feb 2011	Re: Politics I myself if I had to pick a political stance would call myself Libertarian. However I am not even fully a fan of all of their stances on things. I tend to lean from Libertarian to Republican on most issues. However there are a few issues I agree with the Dems on. I tend to consider the issue on its own and read as many sides of it as I can then make a judgement based on that.

25th Jul 2011, 03:45 PM	#6
Owen Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult EC Admin Gender: Agendered dude Orientation: Panromantic androsexual Out Status: Everyone and their mother Location: Massachusetts, USA Age: 21 Posts: 2,872 Join Date: Jul 2007	Re: Politics Most of my political views are liberal, and I'd be lying if I said otherwise, but like Martin, I hate the way political ideologies lump all of these stances into one package and expect you to support the whole thing. __________________ "Stand firm for what you believe in, until and unless logic and experience prove you wrong. Remember, when the emperor looks naked, the emperor is naked. The truth and a lie are not sort of the same thing. And there is no aspect, no facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza." -Daria Morgendorffer

25th Jul 2011, 04:13 PM	#8
Robert EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male ♂ Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people Location: World Posts: 971 Join Date: Jun 2011	Re: Politics Anarchist. __________________ "I am like a mirror that dares not be what nature made it, but feels obligated, always, to reflect what surrounds it." - Frederick II of Prussia. "England is a Prison" - Gerrard Winstanley

25th Jul 2011, 05:11 PM	#9
theWorldisYours Well Known Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: New York Age: 20 Posts: 119 Join Date: May 2011	Re: Politics So my mother is a democrat, and to be fare she has the most influence over me. My father is a republican. growing up, they've had all sort of arguments over politics. I don't really label myself as far as politics go. I think that politicians, for the most part, all have motives that don't always agree with their election slogan if you know what I mean.

25th Jul 2011, 06:38 PM	#10
Mogget Mad and dead as nails EC Advisor Gender: Male Orientation: Kinsey 5 or 6. It varies Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Alaska Age: 22 Posts: 2,024 Join Date: Mar 2010	Re: Politics It's best not to use "liberal" when talking to an international audience. It means leftist in the US, but elsewhere it means libertarian. But by US terms, I'm a liberal. One of the ones who thinks Obama is too right-wing. Way too right-wing. __________________ "As to what I am, I once was many things but now I am only several." - Mogget in Sabriel by Garth Nix "The world is quiet here." - VFD

25th Jul 2011, 07:56 PM	#12
Markio EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Family, friends, and staff! Location: California Age: 21 Posts: 1,140 Join Date: Oct 2008	Re: Politics I selected Independent. I'm kind of liberal in the sense that I try to use politically correct speech, but that's about it. I think I'm a bit naive when it comes to politics: when I watch presidential debates, I still expect candidates to answer the questions they're being asked. __________________ Celebrate diversity!

25th Jul 2011, 08:57 PM	#13
starfish This space for lease. Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: I like guys Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Hippie Town, Alberta of the US Age: 31 Posts: 2,109 Join Date: Nov 2008	Re: Politics I don't really don't fit into any of the political camps. I know this is going to sound odd, but I tend to vote Libertian and Democrat. Though I do vote Republican for a few of the local offices, as I do like the candidate. __________________ All the problems of the world could be settled easily if men were only willing to think. The trouble is that men very often resort to all sorts of devices in order not to think, because thinking is such hard work. --Thomas J. Watson

25th Jul 2011, 09:17 PM	#14
thedreamwatch Maximum Ridiculosity Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Kinsey 5. So, pretty gay. Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Wisconsin Age: 22 Posts: 1,274 Join Date: Jan 2011	Re: Politics I tend to be pretty liberal, but I'm not just going to be a robot and vote my party for everything every single time. I guess I chose other because I honestly have to consider each candidate and each issue and each bit of everyone's platform to make a good decision otherwise I feel weird about it. I don't want to vote ignorantly or to be completely unaware of what's happening, so I have to stay up on what's going on and that's the only way I'll be able to figure out how I feel about politics and politicians. __________________ "I came out laughing, I came out screaming, I came out dancing..." - T&S

26th Jul 2011, 01:59 AM	#15
Raeil EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Missouri Age: 20 Posts: 421 Join Date: May 2011	Re: Politics Recently, I've found myself moving from Libertarian to Liberal (although I could be misinterpreting the label) because a lot of my Libertarian ideology was supported by interpretation of Christian theology, and now that I'm no longer Christian I've had to re-evaluate my politics. So far, most views are moving towards Liberal so I picked that option. (again, I might be misinterpreting the label facepalm) __________________ ~Say my name, as every color illuminates! We are shining, and we will never be afraid again!~

26th Jul 2011, 05:05 AM	#16
solarcat ducks all up! All up, I say! Regular Member Gender: Girlish? Orientation: Licks boys Out Status: Anyone that asks Location: CA Age: 23 Posts: 1,709 Join Date: Jun 2011	Re: Politics I'm a liberal in the US. I believe that if it doesn't take away or infringe upon some else's rights, go for it. With exceptions, of course, but I am basically a leftist on most matters. I'd prefer not to tie myself down to a specific party, though.

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26th Jul 2011, 05:09 AM	#17
Bowie Well Known Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Brazil Age: 19 Posts: 191 Join Date: Jul 2011	Re: Politics I am mostly leftist, but I think that most left-wing political/economic theories lack the realism that would make them feasible. In real politics, therefore, I lean more towards the centre.

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