When your feelings are for other guys

Where can i buy a copy? ?
.......
SO I CAN SPIT ON IT!

Dispite what the xians try to drone into the minds of helpless gay teens...it is NOT possible to simply turn the switch from homo to hetero....because there is no such thing. Sure you can put your fingers into your ears and tell yourself over and over again that the easter bunny exists, but in the end...he never will. Same thing applies here....you can say "im going to be attracted to women and have intercourse with them, not men"....but in the end, you'll always be attracted to the same sex. You'd be living a lie...there is a small chance that if you did so for such a long period of time, you'd start to believe your own lies....but is that what you really want? To drown the real you because some guy in a funny hat said so? In the end it is your choice...but it is a sad to see so many fall victim to blind faith.

 

By now at present, there have been too many scientific research that proves the opposite: That one CANNOT change his sexual orientation. What these so-claimed "ex-gays" most-likely did was SUPRESS their same-sex longings and attempt to PERSUE heterseXISM, thinking that they have been successfully at changing their sexual orientation to heterseXUALITY. They can quarantine their homosexual feelings, but that will not change the face that they are homosexuals. It's innate! Thinking that they have achieved their goals, they will report to their religious leaders, and of course those leaders will believe them!!

I understand how this is. I am a Christian, and I use to promulgate the same thing: that through hard effort and attempt, I can get out of homosexuality and live a life "pleasing to God." Not ONLY did I learn that God has no disfavor to those who HE created as homosexuals, but also that it is also permanent and inchangeable. I think at present, people understand that being gay "is not a choice." The problem at hand is whether or not "being gay can be altered" or not. Again, too many researches have found that "nope, you can't!"

So what would I do if I were to recieve this as a present from my dear mother? Hmm, I would take it and thank her for the gift (first of all), and alone, I would read it and consider it fictional. I really would! That stuff, changing from homosexuality to heterosexuality (what they mean is, "heterseXISM," a different thing from heterosexuality) is made rubbish and nonsense by science.


~~~~~LowestVocal~~~~~

 

If i hadnt of been so furious, my post probably would of said the same things as lowestvocals. lol

Well said my friend....they can supress but never change.

 

We can just take comfort in the fact that not all Christians believe this crap.

 

Hi Dave,

Here is a web site with plenty of links that provide better info than the book you received.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html

Encourage your mom to check out what the experts say. She is probably hoping that the book is correct and that you can be "cured" sometime down the road. Sorry, she needs to know attempting to change someone's sexual orientation can cause serious damage for all parties concerned. And it won't work.:icon_excl

Lorenz

 

at first i thought the article was saying it was okay to be gay.
then i got to the second paragraph.
and sometimes i want to go and smack the pope.
why is it that people are so stupid?
why can they not be tolerant?
is non tolerance the real mental disorder?
i am not to sure, but i am beginning to wonder if the republican/conservatives in the world are mentally disabled or something... perhaps their brains didnt fully evolve and they are still monkeys... i mean look at bush...
oooh.... sudden thought! if you have ever read the book the time machine by h.g. wells, humans evolve into two groups. the morlocks and i cant remember the other group. what if the good tolerant people become the ones i cant remember, and the not so good not so tolerant people become the morlocks?

it may just be my mind playing tricks on me and all... but think about it for a while...
the idea is oddly stirring...
at least to me...
perhaps we should start research to see if conservatives and liberals have different dna or something...
then, if they do, we can say that THEY are the ones with problems.
then THEY can feel what nontolerance is like.
and WE wont have to.

i will step off my soapbox now.
thanks.


i

 

Pardon my explatives..

WHAT. THE. F--K.

It is not a choice, it is not something you can change! People need to get this through their heads!! I did not choose this! I'm sure that no one here has CHOSEN to be gay or bi. There is proof that we can't change. PROOF that it is encoded in our genetic structure- and yet we will still have these mindless, insensative twits telling us that it's a choice. That's exactly it- we must CHOOSE to feel this way- we must CHOOSE to have to struggle with this- and we most CERTAINLY must have chosen to be different, outcasted by some, and hated still by others. Oh yep. DEFINITELY a choice. Who wouldn't want that?! (Not that I'm saying this is the worst thing to happen to me- but it's not the easiest thing to cope with.)

Nimrods. Nimrods, all of them. God does not hate homosexuals. We are ALL equal in God's eyes.

...I'll go buy a copy- so I can pour gasoline on it and light it on fire and then chuck it at biased, prejudiced pigs.

People like this are the reason that hate exists.

Ok. I'm done ranting.

 

Scince when can some one just turn off there feelings for someone else iam pretty sure that if i was built that way i wouldnt have had all these feelings for people that are close to me how are people supposed to know what were feeling if theyve never felt this way before how can they say you have to act this way when you just cant those effing idiots thats so stupid you cant control how you feel you cant just pretend not to like a person you cant put a mask on your face and pretend that nothing like this is possible i swear sometimes people can really bug you besides if i could turn off my feelings i wouldve done it a while ago

 

..... Okay, that is just ridiculous. People don't just wake up one morning and say, 'Okay, today I'll be homosexual because the past few days I've been straight.' The things people think of....

 

Some more thoughts on conversion theories.

Think for a moment that homosexuals and lesbians can be converted to heterosexuality with therapy, that our sexual orientation is really a matter of conditioning and proper instruction. If that is true, then the door must also be open for heterosexuals to be converted to homosexuality, and anything in between. Assume for a further moment that society were neutral on issues of sexuality so that, depending on your environment, personal preference, religious and sociological reasons, a person could choose to reprogram his sexual orientation.

Since this reprogramming works at almost any age (say 12 and up) and in either direction, young people could choose their sexual orientation about like they choose a college or select a course for a career or occupation. This would be useful for teens who would like to switch due to friends, family, religion, artistic, cultural or social reasons. It would also be useful for prison inmates, senior citizens, and sex offenders such as rapists and child molesters. For criminals, the therapy would be mandatory with the intent of making them asexual.

A senior citizen could choose to change his sexual orientation based on partner availability or community that he or she wants to join. Lets assume there is even a religion that requires heterosexuals to be converted
because their teachings have directed this chosen group to act as the population monitor to keep the world from being overpopulated and avoid famine. They acquire the glory of god by making the ultimate sacrifice to give up their heterosexuality for the good of society.

The military would also be interested in a simple, effective method of making soldiers asexual for their term of duty, voluntarily of course. Although drugs already can achieve a neutralization of sexual drive, a conversion therapy that renders someone asexual would eliminate numerous problems the military faces, such as sexual assault, fraternization, prostitution, infidelity and pregnancy among female soldiers. Ideal would be a pill, sort of like Viagra, but with the effect of altering your sexual attraction to a specific sex. Better yet would be a hypnotic brainwashing via sound technology administered through an implanted MP3 device that can alter sexual attraction for specific periods of time. Play the bass line from a Madonna track in reverse at ultra low frequency and heterosexual guys automatically turn gay until the device is turned off.

For combat relief, the sex-starved young men could be brought to an entertainment facility and ``Let the Music Play``. Even in field training, the commander could reward his best soldiers with an hour or two of frolic in the
foxhole. It would do wonders for troop morale, camaraderie, and esprit de corps.

Talk about a top secret device that would be controlled better than the atomic bomb!

Before I get carried away in the SF world, don‘t think for a minute that the military isn‘t always working on mind-altering drugs, just as they were testing LSD in the 1960‘s.

My point (if I have one) is that if there was a successful method of altering sexual orientation in either direction, we would know about it and it would receive widespread use for all kinds of purposes, some good, some evil,
and some, just for fun.

Sorry, it ain‘t true, at least not yet. But if you want to test the Madonna bass line theory, record ``Like a Virgin`` at 20% of normal speed, then record the result in reverse. Then hand the headphones to your hottest ``straight curious`` buddy and see what happens. Post results right here. I‘ll be watching.

See what you started Dave? What if you substituted ``heterosexuality`` wherever the word ``homosexuality`` appears in the book and vice versa? Would the book still make sense?

Anyway, from what I can tell, gay folks (including myself) don‘t have a problem with accepting their sexual orientation. We have a problem with society accepting our sexual orientation. The worst offenders are the ones
who claim to have found the Holy Grail, be it in politics, economy, philosophy, history, religion, or sexuality. We won‘t even mention the arts.

A college history professor of mine had the toughest multiple choice tests I ever encountered. Just 3 or 4 questions, with 3 or 4 possible answers. Sounds easy. The catch was that any of the answers were correct, as long as you explained how and why you arrived at the answer. It was his way of telling us to read multiple versions of the same historical event and arrive at our own conclusion. The correct answer won‘t be found in just one book, and that especially applies to the bible.

I‘ve often wondered what sexual orientation Jesus had. The new movie, Da Vinci Code, proposes a theory and the Catholic church is outraged. If Jesus wasn‘t hetero, was he bi, homo, or asexual? Since he spends a lot of time with the 12 apostles (all male), I‘d have to suspect he was hanging out with his gay buddies, not to mention his masochistic tendencies. Maybe we‘ve always had a champion for gay rights and just didn‘t know it?

Thanks Dave for allowing me to spend a couple of hours on this diatribe. Now I have to do some recording, just in case I run into a straight buddy of mine tonight.

Lorenz:icon_twis

 

Christians suck. (And note that I attend to catholic university, so i have a broad variety of them to choose from) They suck.

I've found only two christians that have my full respect as people, one of them is a priest! open minded and intelligent in the way they interpet the bible.

the other one is a civil engineer and a physics proffessor (sp)

 

wow, what a discussion starter! My personal belief is that all people are born with a sexual preference. I also believe that, as we all know, individuals can change their behaviour according to circumstances. For example, we can choose not to drink grog if we want to be responsible drivers after a party, or we can choose not to have sex with people outside a committed relationship - such as married (or defacto) people often choose to remain faithful to their life-partner. However, it's my personal experience that our sexual orientation or preference, being part of nature, can't be changed by personal choice. We can't change how we feel by nature, but we can - and do - change our behaviour or how we act sexually.
Also, I am a Christian who believes in a loving God as Jesus taught us to love others. I don't agree with many Christian teachings on morals, especially if the teachings go against nature. Because, I believe in a God who created nature. Paul.

 

Ok, if you want to see what trying to change someone's sexuallity can do to someone, watch the Real World Denver. Davis is the Gay guy they always feel the need to put on the show, and let's just say he has some serious problems. His mother and father tried to change his sexuallity through some sketchy Christian camp and look at him, that boy is screwed up. I agree with most of the people who replied, you can TRY to change someone but all you're going to do is make them feel even more outcast and alone.

 

I would have wiped my imperial rear with the pages of that book, then I would have put the dirty pages inside a nice box and given it as a gift to my mom (if she was the one who gave me the book)

Seriously. People who write things like that should be put in the same bag as Adolf Hitler.

 

I honestly dont know how people like that can actually feel, "right, or good about themselves" Thinking that they can just change people like that. I think its wrong!

 

I think your mom is hoping you were not gay. But I don't know what her intention is. Maybe she wants you to be happy or she doesnt want to be gossiped by other people,her friends,etc. or she doesn't want to blame herself.
There are billions of reasons for her deeds. Who knows, you can only find out when you ask her

 

Heh, not much for me to add to this that hasn't already been said, just that I agree that you can't change your sexual orientation without brainwashing yourself. You can try as hard as you want to ignore your attraction to the same sex, but it's always there.

 

What a waste of paper to print such a book,just reinforces why i could never reconcile with the church, sorry so called christians i dont trust you. greg

 

Oh....sorry. :icon_sad:

Looks like you're in for a struggle...