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Robert · 28th Dec 2011, 01:30 PM

Just wondering.

I'm not patriotic at all. In fact, I dont have a country.

Emberstone · 28th Dec 2011, 01:36 PM

i voted 100% only to make a point. there is no actual quantifiable definition of patriotisem, at least in america, and I suspect elsewhere, so most people who you ask are going to say they are highly patriotic because in their mind, they are.

We have to remeber that there are still people, powerful people, who claim the 1964 civil rights act was unpatriotic. Yet, for others, further breaking down institutionalized discrimination against african americans is viewed as highly patriotic, because it is living up to the notion that "all men are created equal with inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Some people say blindly following a leader because they are the leader is patriotisem, but america was founded on challanging the leader (the british throne), and we dont call the american revolutionaries to be unpatriotic, do we?

in the end, if one is to be honest, I would say my patriotisem is about 80%, because I believe strongly in the ideals we still strive to achieve, but cringe at the idiocy of our political system that is, in part, a hinderence rather than an help at times.

Robert · 28th Dec 2011, 01:43 PM

I didnt tell you to scientifically quantify your patriotism. I simply asked you to vote in the poll so we could get some sort of an idea of how patriotic you are. Just because percentages are involved you assume that I am seeking for 100% accuracy when, in actual fact, I am just looking to get a general idea of how patriotic people feel.

So, what was your point again?

Colton · 28th Dec 2011, 01:49 PM

I put 30%. I'm not that patriotic >_>

Mad Man L · 28th Dec 2011, 01:52 PM

I put 70%. I'm quite patriotic, although there are things about Australia which could be improved. e.g. the fact that it's in the middle of nowhere, and we have a commie who controls our Senate. -.-

seeksanctuary · 28th Dec 2011, 02:26 PM

I put 10%.

I like America in general. I think the land is beautiful, and I like most of the laws. The general idea is great... and I get upset when people hurt Americans just because they are Americans. But I have no great love for all Americans, nor the government; I don't say the pledge, I don't sing the anthem, I don't wave flags around. And I don't consider myself an American, so much as a inhabitant of North America. *shrugs*

J Snow · 28th Dec 2011, 02:51 PM

I put 50%. A country is just a place. People are people are people.

The Escapist · 28th Dec 2011, 03:00 PM

Pretty much the same as seeksanctuary, except I consider myself technically an American. I put 0%.

No One · 28th Dec 2011, 03:01 PM

I said 80%. I love America, I love being American, but there are always things that could be improved on.

I think people who say they are 0% are lying even to themselves. The truth is, if you were to go live in another country, there would be things you missed about yours.

Super Trouper · 28th Dec 2011, 03:04 PM

I put 0%. I hate Portugal and I can't wait to get out of here for good.

Jonathan · 28th Dec 2011, 03:05 PM

I went with 30%. I'm not really that patriotic.

Zontar · 28th Dec 2011, 03:09 PM

Very. I believe, for the most part, that the United States hits the mark quite often...although we have our fair share of royal fuckups I'm not afraid to call it out on. Vietnam and Iraq come to mind.

Rinto · 28th Dec 2011, 05:09 PM

Below half. My heart belongs to UK, my soul connects to Japan, my body is left at the Phil.

That's quite bad. At least, I'm still very proud that I'm 100% Filipino.

Z3ni · 28th Dec 2011, 05:49 PM

Well I'm not to fond of "Pride", well its ok being proud of who you are, but I mostly seen the "I'm ___ , so **** you!!!!" etc etc

FleetFish · 28th Dec 2011, 06:42 PM

I put 0, but I don't mean that I think of my country negatively. It's just that I like to think of us ALL as being part of the same world, and I would rather have that kind of togetherness rather than countries versus countries. I feel like identifying super strongly with a country/whatever lends itself too easily to being against other countries and peoples, if that makes sense?

I mean, it's cool if you think of yourself as patriotic. I realize that it isn't always a bad thing. I just prefer to think of the world as more united, rather than as fragmented as we tend to be.

Sorry if this is rambly...

Hana Solo · 28th Dec 2011, 06:52 PM

70% I love Australia and am damned proud to be an Aussie.

needshelp · 28th Dec 2011, 09:17 PM

yeah, i'm an american. it's as much as a big deal to me as being black, short, and gay. i'm not going to let a characteristic of me dictate how i should live my life, what i should do and how i should feel about a particular situation that involves where i was born and raised and was the playground where i spent most of my days.

midwestgirl89 · 28th Dec 2011, 10:02 PM

I'm not a big fan of America most of the time. Sure, it's beautiful in areas and there are some great people here. Maybe it's because I'm from the midwest that I'm not a big fan of my own country. People can be a-holes.

I get tired of how stuck up American government is. The government thinks they can go over to other countries and take over/make other countries accept its political ideology. I hate how we go to war, I hate how we treat gay people historically, I dislike a lot about this country. I put 0% just because throughout my life I have not liked America very much. Mainly due to military concerns. War is not my friend.

Porphyrogenitus · 28th Dec 2011, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Man L

I put 70%. I'm quite patriotic, although there are things about Australia which could be improved. e.g. the fact that it's in the middle of nowhere, and we have a commie who controls our Senate. -.-

Go Greens

I also put 70%, but that was essentially just a conveniently middle-upper guess. It's a very difficult thing to quantify, especially if you don't think about it all that much.

ANightDude · 28th Dec 2011, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert

I didnt tell you to scientifically quantify your patriotism. I simply asked you to vote in the poll so we could get some sort of an idea of how patriotic you are. Just because percentages are involved you assume that I am seeking for 100% accuracy when, in actual fact, I am just looking to get a general idea of how patriotic people feel.

So, what was your point again?

Rude.

View Poll Results: How patriotic are you?
100%	2	4.35%
90%	2	4.35%
80%	3	6.52%
70%	5	10.87%
60%	1	2.17%
50%	3	6.52%
40%	2	4.35%
30%	4	8.70%
20%	4	8.70%
10%	5	10.87%
0%	15	32.61%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

28th Dec 2011, 01:30 PM	#1
Robert EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male ♂ Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people Location: World Posts: 971 Join Date: Jun 2011	How patriotic are you? Just wondering. I'm not patriotic at all. In fact, I dont have a country. __________________ "I am like a mirror that dares not be what nature made it, but feels obligated, always, to reflect what surrounds it." - Frederick II of Prussia. "England is a Prison" - Gerrard Winstanley

28th Dec 2011, 01:36 PM	#2
Emberstone Flappychap Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Oregon, USA Age: 28 Posts: 5,599 Join Date: May 2008	Re: How patriotic are you? i voted 100% only to make a point. there is no actual quantifiable definition of patriotisem, at least in america, and I suspect elsewhere, so most people who you ask are going to say they are highly patriotic because in their mind, they are. We have to remeber that there are still people, powerful people, who claim the 1964 civil rights act was unpatriotic. Yet, for others, further breaking down institutionalized discrimination against african americans is viewed as highly patriotic, because it is living up to the notion that "all men are created equal with inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Some people say blindly following a leader because they are the leader is patriotisem, but america was founded on challanging the leader (the british throne), and we dont call the american revolutionaries to be unpatriotic, do we? in the end, if one is to be honest, I would say my patriotisem is about 80%, because I believe strongly in the ideals we still strive to achieve, but cringe at the idiocy of our political system that is, in part, a hinderence rather than an help at times. __________________ TYPE YOUR NAME: Cory. TYPE YOUR NAME WITH YOUR ELBOW: vcoiptryu SLAM YOUR FACE ON THE KEYBOARD: About three things I was absolutely positive. First, Edward was a vampire. Second, there was a part of him - and I didn't know how potent that part might be - that thirsted for my blood. And third, I was unconditionally and irrevocably in love with him.

28th Dec 2011, 01:43 PM	#3
Robert EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male ♂ Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people Location: World Posts: 971 Join Date: Jun 2011	Re: How patriotic are you? I didnt tell you to scientifically quantify your patriotism. I simply asked you to vote in the poll so we could get some sort of an idea of how patriotic you are. Just because percentages are involved you assume that I am seeking for 100% accuracy when, in actual fact, I am just looking to get a general idea of how patriotic people feel. So, what was your point again? __________________ "I am like a mirror that dares not be what nature made it, but feels obligated, always, to reflect what surrounds it." - Frederick II of Prussia. "England is a Prison" - Gerrard Winstanley

28th Dec 2011, 01:49 PM	#4
Colton Hit the Lights Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Any one who wants to know Location: California Age: 15 Posts: 1,210 Join Date: Jan 2010	Re: How patriotic are you? I put 30%. I'm not that patriotic >_> __________________ "It's always been about me, myself, and I. I thought relationships were nothing but a waste of time. I never wanted to be anybody's other half. I was happy saying I know love, it wouldn't last." <3

28th Dec 2011, 01:52 PM	#5
Mad Man L EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: All but family Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 16 Posts: 1,244 Join Date: Jul 2011	Re: How patriotic are you? I put 70%. I'm quite patriotic, although there are things about Australia which could be improved. e.g. the fact that it's in the middle of nowhere, and we have a commie who controls our Senate. -.- __________________ I really should get a proper signature...

28th Dec 2011, 02:26 PM	#6
seeksanctuary Weary Traveller Full Member Gender: Transgender - FtM Orientation: Gay Out Status: Pretty much everyone that matters. Location: USA Age: 24 Posts: 402 Join Date: Sep 2011	Re: How patriotic are you? I put 10%. I like America in general. I think the land is beautiful, and I like most of the laws. The general idea is great... and I get upset when people hurt Americans just because they are Americans. But I have no great love for all Americans, nor the government; I don't say the pledge, I don't sing the anthem, I don't wave flags around. And I don't consider myself an American, so much as a inhabitant of North America. shrugs __________________ but there's no sense crying over every mistake you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake...

28th Dec 2011, 02:51 PM	#7
J Snow EC Addict Regular Member Gender: Sex - Male, Gender -Female/bigender/not quite sure Orientation: Primarily interested in men. Out Status: fairly out about sexuality, gender not so much Location: Des Moines, Iowa Age: 22 Posts: 1,392 Join Date: Aug 2011	Re: How patriotic are you? I put 50%. A country is just a place. People are people are people. __________________ "You don't need to hide my friend, for I am just like you."

28th Dec 2011, 03:00 PM	#8
The Escapist Purple Lover Regular Member Gender: Female Orientation: Bi/Gray-A Out Status: Distant Cousin and One from Church Location: U.S. Age: 18 Posts: 233 Join Date: Dec 2011	Re: How patriotic are you? Pretty much the same as seeksanctuary, except I consider myself technically an American. I put 0%. __________________ "There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of even one small candle." -Robert Alden

28th Dec 2011, 03:01 PM	#9
No One Eternally Male Crazed! Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Unofficially out to everyone but my family. Age: 18 Posts: 1,021 Join Date: Oct 2008	Re: How patriotic are you? I said 80%. I love America, I love being American, but there are always things that could be improved on. I think people who say they are 0% are lying even to themselves. The truth is, if you were to go live in another country, there would be things you missed about yours. __________________

28th Dec 2011, 03:04 PM	#10
Super Trouper ABBA & Eurovision <3 Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Bi-Winning Out Status: Everyone that matters. Location: Portugal Age: 18 Posts: 1,168 Join Date: Jul 2010	Re: How patriotic are you? I put 0%. I hate Portugal and I can't wait to get out of here for good. __________________ Yaoi is my oxygen...

28th Dec 2011, 03:05 PM	#11
Jonathan Formerly Muzzy Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people Location: Illinois Age: 20 Posts: 3,037 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: How patriotic are you? I went with 30%. I'm not really that patriotic. __________________

28th Dec 2011, 03:09 PM	#12
Zontar Mister Funny Man Full Member Gender: Male Location: Binghampton, NY Posts: 1,539 Join Date: Oct 2010	Re: How patriotic are you? Very. I believe, for the most part, that the United States hits the mark quite often...although we have our fair share of royal fuckups I'm not afraid to call it out on. Vietnam and Iraq come to mind. __________________ Get up and open your eyes...Don't ever let yourself ever fall down... Get through it and learn how to fly...I know you'll find a way...today. -Days of the New, "Dirty Road"

28th Dec 2011, 05:09 PM	#13
Rinto Balance Freak-ish Full Member Gender: Monsieur Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: My chosen people Location: Philippines Age: 16 Posts: 480 Join Date: Jul 2011	Re: How patriotic are you? Below half. My heart belongs to UK, my soul connects to Japan, my body is left at the Phil. That's quite bad. At least, I'm still very proud that I'm 100% Filipino. __________________ Be happy with who you are. When all else abandon you, at least, it's the being who'll love you the most more than yourself. So, never lose your smile.

28th Dec 2011, 05:49 PM	#14
Z3ni Ec's ADD Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gayish Out Status: My Twin Location: England, Manchester Posts: 3,083 Join Date: Oct 2008	Re: How patriotic are you? Well I'm not to fond of "Pride", well its ok being proud of who you are, but I mostly seen the "I'm ___ , so ** you!!!!" etc etc __________________ Through pain, lies success.**

28th Dec 2011, 06:52 PM	#16
Hana Solo EC's Dear Abby- talk to me! Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Mostly into girls Out Status: Closet is getting a little crowded Location: Not even a dot on the Australian map Age: 17 Posts: 1,096 Join Date: Nov 2011	Re: How patriotic are you? 70% I love Australia and am damned proud to be an Aussie. __________________ Thor: No matter what he's done, Loki is from Asgard and is my brother Black Widow: He killed 80 people in two days. Thor: ...adopted. ~The Avengers, 2012

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midwestgirl89 EC Addict Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Interested in Women Out Status: Some people Age: 23 Posts: 559 Join Date: Jul 2011	Re: How patriotic are you? I'm not a big fan of America most of the time. Sure, it's beautiful in areas and there are some great people here. Maybe it's because I'm from the midwest that I'm not a big fan of my own country. People can be a-holes. I get tired of how stuck up American government is. The government thinks they can go over to other countries and take over/make other countries accept its political ideology. I hate how we go to war, I hate how we treat gay people historically, I dislike a lot about this country. I put 0% just because throughout my life I have not liked America very much. Mainly due to military concerns. War is not my friend.