I think I'd like a vagina

Awesome. Congrats on completing the next step of your journey

Also: Gender neutral, androgynous and genderfluid and genderqueer.

 

Not to rain on anyone's parade but I wouldn't like this idea spread around because I'm native and from what I've learned that is not true.
Two spirit is supposed to be people who are gay not a combination of both genders.

Unless you heard this from a specific tribe? Not just native americans in general. That's too broad and again its just very general and isn't necessarily true for all of us.

For example;
Its like saying Asians have all one central belief but there's SO many different types of Asian cultures that it wouldn't be an accurate statement.

 

Regarding the original topic - I've had similar dream more than a few times; both appearing and being both genders or completely female. In some ways, the dreams don't happen enough. I particularly enjoy the ultra real intimate dreams...

 

I much like Two Spirit over Bi-gendered.

I've labeled myself as Two Spirit for quite some time.

I think this is wonderful. Your dream is helping you find your way.

Beautiful, really.

 

Its not all native americans though. Maybe some tribes but not all.
It would just be more valid and unoffensive if you gave the specific tribe that the two spirit idea came from that's all.
I know what you're talking about but native american is so general.

 

Amen.



Concerning your earlier statement, I think I read something like that on Wikipedia, where two-spirits generally have different connotation depending on tribes.

In my culture, Chicano, there's a similar situation to I guess some two spirits. Curanderos are usually confirmed bachelors, and theres a subtle hint of homoeroticism.

 

I think what they mean is if you say something is native american then it has a connotation of being true across all the tribes in all parts of the Americas. Maybe there are some really common facts that are true for all Native Americans but with respect to religious traditions, culture, language and understanding of the world, each tribe had a very unique perspective.

While there may have been a specific tribe that used the term two spirit, to many tribes, that same term would have been completely foriegn.

It's the same as trying to make a statement about a cultural tidbit of people that live in New York City but then saying, "So there's people that live in the Americas (Americas=both north and south america) that do x, y, or z"

But I'm not Native American, that's just my understanding of the situation.

 

That is it.

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Are you Native?

 

I know EXACTLY how you feel Tracy! I want a vagina quite badly as well. It's been & continues to be hell having the wrong genitals between my legs. I cant be with who I want to be with, I can't even masturbate like a normal girl, it really is intolerable at times. Im already starting to look at the options & financial costs for when I can go have my bottom surgery & FINALLY just be normal down there! For me, I know that I need the hormones, the voice training & everything to finally get myself to match altogether, but everyone's journey is different! (*hug*) I wish you so much luck, sweetie! And it's so good to have you back here on EC too! (!)

 

Oh excuse me, I don't mean to come off rude. I'm just quick to defend my culture/people from generalizations by people from the outside per say. I understand where you're coming from (and I'm glad you've discovered something about yourself) but as a native myself, seeing misinterpretations or people adopt parts of our beliefs as theirs is...a problem for me I guess.

 

It's a question of which tribe uses the word how.

Not all Natives wear feather headresses and dance around a totem pole.

Likewise, not all Natives use the term "two spirit" the same way.

 

Exactly.


And on a separate note from cub:
We're not on the same team with this if you're not Native and adopting Native termonology that you don't even know where it came from. I just think its offensive. I can almost guarantee that you won't understand why I'm defending this but still. Have you been to the reservation that this term comes from? Anything? This is off of Wikipedia! Native culture is a lot deeper than that for your personal use.

 

My grandmother is Native Mexican. There is no equivalent term for two spirit in modern language as far I know, although there is a function that fits it entirely. I felt there was no harm in adopting it, seeing as how it seems to fit.

Although if it truly bothers you, I will discern a label that is comfortable for everyone.

 

It does bother me.
If there is an equivalent that fits you then that would be fantastic. Excuse me if I offended anyone, I hope you all understand why I'm doing this.

Thank you so much.

Lena<3