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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Zaio, Apr 16, 2012.

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  1. Zaio

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    The first 2 saw films were alright, with a decent story line and scene setting... But 3 and onwards...

    Am I the only one who thinks it's not scary, but INCREDIBLY disgusting and distorted? I mean a contraption that is pressing into a persons rib cage over-time, where the person has to reach into a pot of skin-scorching acid to get a key to unlock it... I mean... What the fuck is that? That isn't scary, that's just fucking perverse.

    I'm beginning to think it's getting scary how messed up these contraptions are, that the writers can actually come up with this stuff... If anything saw to me is just becoming a film where sick, twisted people can get ideas to torture others.

    How bad are these films getting now? I was shown a saw film when I was like 8 by my very thoughtful brother, so I was very mentally scarred early on in life, and that really made me develop mentally slower than everyone else. Even with these PG ratings, I'm sure it could still mentally scar an 18 year old.

    Probably more of a rant but I would like to hear others opinions on this sick films.
     
    #1 Zaio, Apr 16, 2012
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    Well, they don't call it torture porn for nothing. :lol:

    I've never seen the films myself. I've basically dismissed them as a waste of time.
     
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    Of course they're incredibly fucked up.

    The director hasn't done a good job unless you spend the next few days thinking "What on Earth have I watched?"
     
    #3 Zontar, Apr 16, 2012
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    I cringe just watching the Final Destination movies. . . Saw movies would be way too much for me! The idea that people could be capable of doing that to others. . . I'd rather just be the slightly naive person that I am.
     
    #4 Brenny, Apr 16, 2012
  5. Zaio

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    This is exactly how I feel. Even in films it's so cringy that a character could do that to another person... It's too much for a character and these films probably give people in real life these sort of sick ideas.

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    Well, scary films are better though, one that has you scared the next few days, being on edge, watching things carefully. Not a film that's in your mind because of how disgusting it is.
     
    #5 Zaio, Apr 16, 2012
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    I love film like these, they make me feel ill but i just get so hooked and want to keep watching.
    Has anyone seen hostel?
     
    #6 GayJay, Apr 16, 2012
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    Haha, Saw isn't meant to scare you, really. It's meant as a gritty gore fest, just mindless killing and torture in really insane ways. It can also be argued that at a certain point, the series starts making fun of itself.

    I enjoyed the ones I saw, but I think I stopped watching after four or five because I just didn't care what happened next.
     
    #7 Ethan, Apr 16, 2012
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    i liked it! i think that jigsaw is very creative!
     
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  9. Owen

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    I'm a shameless Saw fanboy and one of the few, apparently, who has seen all seven films. The first one was definitely good, but the people behind it probably didn't expect it to become a series. so it seems to me like they spent the next four movies trying to figure out where they could go with it, with mixed results (I think IV was the best out of all of the ones in the II-V range). Many critics and fans agreed that VI was a return to form for the series; it was really good, albeit really brutal. But when it didn't do as well in the box office as the others, they decided to end the series with VII, even though they had planned for two more films. And the fact that it was rushed showed in the final product. It gave us fanboys and girls what we wanted, certainly, but not much else; the props and effects for the traps were good, but everything else seemed very rushed and not at all thought-out.

    As for it being a disgusting and distorted series? Well, yeah, that's kinda the point. That's what draws me into it; to see what kind of crazy ideas they can come up with next to kill someone in the most elaborate yet gruesome manor possible. Although it's disturbing enough that I could never do a marathon of all seven films; after I watch one, I feel like I need to wait a week before I could watch another.

    But the films' plots are seriously underrated, too. Baring VII, which was honestly a joke, there's visible character development in the main characters, and they don't pull plot points out of their ass to keep the story going. In fact, when fans accused the ending of IV of being an out-of-the-blue twist, the creators spent of good portion of V showing new scenes from past storylines that worked in the character the IV's ending centered around. In other words, they spent a lot of the film justifying the ending of IV. For the most part, this series takes its plot and its characters seriously, and I appreciate that. I know a lot of people who say that that's one of the series weaknesses, that it should have devolved into self-parody a lot sooner, but I have to say that I admire the creators taking their films seriously in the face of pressure to do just the opposite. And minus a few bad spots (the underwhelming ending of V, the entirety of VII), I think their effort pays off.

    (By the way, OP, the contraption wasn't pressing into her rib-cage; it pulled her ribcage out of our torso. Just a point of info.)
     
    #9 Owen, Apr 16, 2012
  10. King

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    Gore scares me. What's even worse is I read that every contraption in the Saw movies are like, real...
    F*CK I hate movies like that!
     
    #10 King, Apr 16, 2012
  11. Zaio

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    Ok now I feel even more nauseous, thanks :lol:

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    Exactly, it shows that these things could happen in real life. Even worse it gives twisted people ideas. Saw III (HD) - Allison Kerry's trap/execution - The Angel Trap AKA The Ribs Puller - YouTube <- so disgusting.
     
    #11 Zaio, Apr 17, 2012
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    It seems like "horror" movies nowadays are more concerned with grossing out the audience rather than genuinely scaring them with suspense and thrill...compared the original 1970's Halloween with the remake.
     
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  13. Owen

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    I have to say, I like the non-director's-cut version of that scene better. When the device goes off, we see it from behind, not from the front. It leaves a lot more to the imagination, and it gave the trap a kind of elegance that's robbed by seeing its brutality in all its glory.

    Also, you say the films "gives twisted people ideas". Maybe it does, but beyond the first film, many of the traps were way more about spectacle than believability (and those that were believable weren't all that creative, so it's not like the first film gave anyone any new ideas). Because they were so focused on spectacle, nearly every death-device in II through VII is beyond impractical for your average-Joe psycho to set up. In order to do what Jigsaw did, you'd need the expertise of an engineer, the wealth of a property investor, the medical expertise of a doctor, and a lot of upper-body strength. I doubt any lone psycho has all of those things. In short, I wouldn't worry about it. An ideas harmless if it can't be acted on.
     
    #13 Owen, Apr 17, 2012
  14. RemyLeBeau

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    I watched the first Saw movie. My girlfriend and I laughed the entire way through. But I have "horror movie schadenfreude", which basically means that I root for the bad guy and laugh at parts that others call "disgusting", "disturbing", and "effing screwed up". I enjoy both cheesy gore and sickeningly realistic torture and murder. The look of despairing terror on a (fictional) mother's face as her psycho child tries to kill her, her love preventing her from defending herself, makes me very happy. Obviously I don't laugh at "real life horrors" like crazy children and murderers, but I DO enjoy the look of genuine terror on and off the screen. But that's me. I have a sick sense of humor.

    But as much as I love laughing at this crap, Saw and movies of the like aren't really scary. Modern day "horror", as mentioned before, are more about grossing you out, or having scary images pop up like in Insidious. A TRUE scary movie sends chills down your spine and leaves you uneasy for nights to come. In my own opinion, the silent movie Nosferatu was a far more terrifying movie than ANYTHING made in the past ten years. There was something about the choppy, OLD old school video, the music, the over exaggerated facial expressions that just GOT to me.

    Again, that's just me. Old school vampires are the only thing on the telly that scare me.

    And thanks a lot Owen! I wasn't sure if I should bother with the other bazillion Saw movies, but now I shall. I have to make up for not having my traditional Friday the 13th Gore Fest.
     
    #14 RemyLeBeau, Apr 17, 2012
  15. ArcherySet

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    Saw is utter filth, and spawned an entire genre of filthy gore fest/torture porn movies. While I will admit the first film had some depth and twisted originality (although I would never rewatch or recommend one to anyone), what followed was garbage. The trailers were more than enough for me.

    As a child I watched horror, just to be different. As I grew I came to realize that while some horror stories had their charms, the direction that horror was going with the success of movies like Saw wasn't enjoyable, and the supernatural became the super gorey.

    I'm for artistic expression, but feel that these movies belong in the "Just because they can be made, doesn't mean they should be made" category of material. Personally I would love to wrap my hands around the necks of everyone directly responsible for this sick crap and choke them out.

    Do not watch these movies.
     
    #15 ArcherySet, Apr 17, 2012
  16. Zaio

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    Well, the thing is unfortunately these films do what they are supposed to. Once I start watching a saw film, or any horror film I just simply can't stop watching till the end, which by then I'm almost throwing up and looking behind my shoulder every 10 seconds :lol:

    Yeah I agree, saw isn't scary. There was a short story I read earlier today that totally freaked me out along with a picture provided, it was so powerful and incredible in the use of descriptive words, I certaintly won't sleep easy tonight. Ah well, guess that's what bright T.Vs were made for :lol: :slight_smile:

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    That makes me feel better that you don't see the front in the non-director's cut version. I couldn't eat my saveloy after watching that little clip from the front :eusa_doh:
     
    #16 Zaio, Apr 17, 2012
  17. Owen

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    That's one perspective. I've never been a fan of horror movies because I can't fathom the appeal of willing letting yourself be terrified by something, so whatever effect Saw had on the horror genre doesn't matter to me. The only other "horror" movie I've seen was Hostel, which I watched because a lot of people said it was similar to Saw, but it didn't appeal to me the same way. But something about these movies does. I don't know what it is, but I'm glad they were made, so I can't say I appreciate your murderous sentiments, even if they are in jest.

    My bottom line: watch these movies if the concept appeals to you. They aren't everyone's cup of tea, but some people will (and do) enjoy watching them.
     
    #17 Owen, Apr 17, 2012
  18. Zaio

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    ^True.

    I personally hate these sort of sick torture porn films, I think it's just morally wrong to make a film like this, with the sheer brutality involved, whether people enjoy this sort of thing or not, it is still inhumane to make these sort of things.

    I love jumpy horror films, however I end up regretting watching them the few days that follow :lol: 'The Woman In Black' was incredibly scary for a PG 12 film, containing no swearing is purely the reason it obtained PG 12. At one point my 22 yr old sister literally jumped out of her chair at one of the parts, and my other 25 yr old sister shrieked.

    amazing scene from woman in black - YouTube <- picture that, but on a cinema screen, very loud surround sound, much much higher quality... It's pretty jumpy, especially with what's seen before that scene, seeing as there is a build-up where you're expecting something to happen, where your heart is beating fast, looking in the background for everything, trying to be prepared for what's about to come. :lol: love that adrenaline feeling haha.

    I seriously think a 12 yr old would be absoloutely traumatised by that film, should be at least PG 15.
     
    #18 Zaio, Apr 17, 2012
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    I loved horror films and did like the first saw because the ending was something different. However, the last few years it seems that there are less original ideas and more remakes of classic films that don't need redoing or a sequel that is just a replay of used ideas. The only new ideas I've seen lately have been zombie movies, which really are my favorite.
     
    #19 AngelaDawn, Apr 17, 2012
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    I used to think some of these films were good (namely I, II and V).

    And then I saw Martyrs.
     
    #20 Harve, Apr 25, 2012
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