It's a choice.

[KeanusGuitarus]

[Please note that this thread uses satire, and not all of it should be taken seriously.]

One of my friends mentioned in maths how homosexuality is disgusting to them. Me and my bi friend (who sit right next to her) are both laughing and she says "You know he is gay". We continue talking for a while about how she "doesn't see it" and stuff like that and I say "It's not like I chose to be gay. Homosexuality isn't a choice.". She replies with "It sort of is".

So I looked back in my life and fair enough, I did choose to be gay, and for these reasons:

1. I wanted to have multiple groups against me, discriminating me and telling me that I would be going to hell for the horrible crimes of nature I was committing.

2. I wanted to be a societal reject, and subsequently be open to physical and emotional harm.

3. I wanted to risk losing friends and family, as well as lose chances in getting a healthy education, a well paying job and a safe retirement.

4. To be told that I have no right to be in an emotional relationship, because I have no capabilities of these feelings, and because of the lack of these feelings, should not have the ability to wed.

5. To have less rights everywhere I go, be disallowed in things such as scouts and other private organisations, and to not be allowed back in a church until my soul is free from its demons.

---------- Post added 28th Jul 2012 at 10:39 PM ----------

[Disclaimer: My points are made to prove that it is not a choice. Sorry for any misunderstanding.]

[iBlakexo]

I use almost those exacts points as comebacks to people who say its a choice. It is so true, why would someone chose to live a disadvantaged lifestyle?

[Level75]

One of my friends mentioned in maths how homosexuality is disgusting to them.

Need better friends.

[Waffles]

Wow... wait, we aren't allowed to go back into the church until our soul is free of demons?
I've been doing it wrong this entire time... whoops. XD

But I agree with all these points. Because CLEARLY people in their right mind would willingly choose to live a life of discrimination and hate. (=A= ) COMMON PEOPLE, USE YOUR BRAIN HERE!

[KeanusGuitarus]

Originally Posted by Level75

Need better friends.

We aren't really friends any more.

[Lexington]

It is a choice. Sort of.

I didn't choose to BE gay. That's part of my wiring. But I chose to LIVE gay. I chose to not hide all those small hints and suggestions. I chose not to force myself to not cross my legs when I sit down. I chose to let myself do that weird wrist flourish when I point at something. I chose to not be embarrassed when my laugh ramps up into a giggle.

And I chose to not pretend to be straight. To not pretend to ogle hot girls when I really wanted to ogle their boyfriends. To not fake-date a woman and pretend I was too gentlemanly to want to have sex with her. To not insist that guy I was with last night was "just a friend". To not introduce the guy I sleep with every night as "my roommate".

But I think it was the obvious choice.

Lex

[xXLoneWolfXx]

LOL sorry but I'm a firm believer in biology. (there was a reason I took all A.P classes last year!) it is part of our wiring. Everyone has a percent chance of becoming gay in both male and female. that percent chance can go up by factors such as having a(n) older brother(s), being a twin, and a really big one the absences or presence of testosterone. (just some of many but still simple stuff!)some scientists believe your gene pool also has a say in everything. Idk if that's true so I'll have to do a little more digging in to it. so for now: not a choice!

[SkyDiver]

If I ever hear someone say that it's a choice, I say, "Okay, then. Prove it. CHOOSE to be gay. Right now." And they're always like.. "Uggghgh....errrmmm....akekjkagada....."

It's because too many people confuse actually being gay with having gay sex. Drives me insaaaaaane.

[AshenAngel]

I use these reasons when people tell me being gay is a choice all the time. Glad you posted

[IllusiveRannoch]

Originally Posted by Lexington

It is a choice. Sort of.

I didn't choose to BE gay. That's part of my wiring. But I chose to LIVE gay. I chose to not hide all those small hints and suggestions. I chose not to force myself to not cross my legs when I sit down. I chose to let myself do that weird wrist flourish when I point at something. I chose to not be embarrassed when my laugh ramps up into a giggle.

And I chose to not pretend to be straight. To not pretend to ogle hot girls when I really wanted to ogle their boyfriends. To not fake-date a woman and pretend I was too gentlemanly to want to have sex with her. To not insist that guy I was with last night was "just a friend". To not introduce the guy I sleep with every night as "my roommate".

But I think it was the obvious choice.

Lex

damn, that's brilliant Lex. new perspective: gained

[Mogget]

Time for Mogget Rant #22

I hate, hate, hate arguing that being gay is not a choice. Why? Because it doesn't actually mean anything. Things are not good or bad based on whether they were chosen. For example, I can choose to be a vegetarian, and this has no impact on the morality of being one; likewise I cannot choose not to have a violent temper, but this does not make it okay for me to throw temper tantrums in public.

And the homophobes know this. Oh sure, they like arguing that being gay is a choice, but what they mean by that isn't what you mean (for the most part). What they mean is what Lex means, that acting on our homosexuality is a choice. Most of them don't really give a damn if we feel what they consider sinful desires, as they have those too, all the time. Not the same ones, obviously, which makes it easier to condemn homosexuality than greed without offending the congregation, but the point is the same.

The Catholic and Mormon Churches have held this view for some time, and the evangelical churches are increasingly adopting it, too.

More importantly, when we argue that being gay isn't a choice, we're implicitly arguing something else: if being gay were a choice, it would be an immoral one. That we should be looking for a cure. That if we could screen homosexuality in the womb that it would be a good idea to abort embryos that have it.

So, what should we be arguing? That being, and living, gay isn't immoral. "Choice" is a red herring. Living a gay life isn't immoral because it doesn't harm myself or others and because it's an expression of self-love and allows me to express love for others.

[allyson]

I did not choose to be transgendered,I felt it at an early age and it was in my brain.I admit I am proud of being transgendered.I felt I always was truely female.

[Pret Allez]

Originally Posted by Mogget

Time for Mogget Rant #22

I hate, hate, hate arguing that being gay is not a choice. Why? Because it doesn't actually mean anything. Things are not good or bad based on whether they were chosen. For example, I can choose to be a vegetarian, and this has no impact on the morality of being one; likewise I cannot choose not to have a violent temper, but this does not make it okay for me to throw temper tantrums in public.

And the homophobes know this. Oh sure, they like arguing that being gay is a choice, but what they mean by that isn't what you mean (for the most part). What they mean is what Lex means, that acting on our homosexuality is a choice. Most of them don't really give a damn if we feel what they consider sinful desires, as they have those too, all the time. Not the same ones, obviously, which makes it easier to condemn homosexuality than greed without offending the congregation, but the point is the same.

The Catholic and Mormon Churches have held this view for some time, and the evangelical churches are increasingly adopting it, too.

More importantly, when we argue that being gay isn't a choice, we're implicitly arguing something else: if being gay were a choice, it would be an immoral one. That we should be looking for a cure. That if we could screen homosexuality in the womb that it would be a good idea to abort embryos that have it.

So, what should we be arguing? That being, and living, gay isn't immoral. "Choice" is a red herring. Living a gay life isn't immoral because it doesn't harm myself or others and because it's an expression of self-love and allows me to express love for others.

Just to add to this, I would also point out that if being and living gay is not a choice, then those who hate us will simply view us as people with disabilities, and they will hold out for a "cure," as if there's a need to cure homosexuality any more than left-handedness.

[The Escapist]

Originally Posted by Mogget

Time for Mogget Rant #22

I hate, hate, hate arguing that being gay is not a choice. Why? Because it doesn't actually mean anything. Things are not good or bad based on whether they were chosen. For example, I can choose to be a vegetarian, and this has no impact on the morality of being one; likewise I cannot choose not to have a violent temper, but this does not make it okay for me to throw temper tantrums in public.

And the homophobes know this. Oh sure, they like arguing that being gay is a choice, but what they mean by that isn't what you mean (for the most part). What they mean is what Lex means, that acting on our homosexuality is a choice. Most of them don't really give a damn if we feel what they consider sinful desires, as they have those too, all the time. Not the same ones, obviously, which makes it easier to condemn homosexuality than greed without offending the congregation, but the point is the same.

The Catholic and Mormon Churches have held this view for some time, and the evangelical churches are increasingly adopting it, too.

More importantly, when we argue that being gay isn't a choice, we're implicitly arguing something else: if being gay were a choice, it would be an immoral one. That we should be looking for a cure. That if we could screen homosexuality in the womb that it would be a good idea to abort embryos that have it.

So, what should we be arguing? That being, and living, gay isn't immoral. "Choice" is a red herring. Living a gay life isn't immoral because it doesn't harm myself or others and because it's an expression of self-love and allows me to express love for others.

Yeah, this is basically what I've come to. The whole "choice" argument is just a distraction to the main point, if it were a choice there would still be nothing wrong with it. It's mostly just frustrating I think, when someone tells us what we feel doesn't exist.

[Kidd]

I've never had anyone say this to me before, but if they did, I already know what I'm going to say. I'm going to say, "You're right. I'm just in it for the fashion." There's no point arguing with them. If they're, you know, old enough to follow one logical thought to the next and don't live under a rock somewhere and they haven't seen the light by now, then they probably never will.

[Austin]

I try not to associate with anybody who would say such things in the first place, but I agree with Mogget. I now tell people that I can choose to do whatever I want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.

[heaven]

I must ask when did homosexuality become so discriminated! First of all if you look back in time theyr have been many homos! EX: Alexander the great, Spartans, etc. They had children with woman but just to pass on the genes while they were sexually active with other males! (sry for off the main point opinion)

[Pret Allez]

Originally Posted by heaven

I must ask when did homosexuality become so discriminated! First of all if you look back in time theyr have been many homos! EX: Alexander the great, Spartans, etc. They had children with woman but just to pass on the genes while they were sexually active with other males! (sry for off the main point opinion)

Attitudes towards homosexuality have been complicated throughout history. In Alexander's time, stigma did not attach to the male penetrating partner; it did attach to the receptive partner through. The whole "it's not gay if I'm pitching" attitude has been repeated elsewhere in the world in various periods. The spread of religions have also had an impact. Suffice to say, people have discriminated against queers for a very long time.

[heaven]

Originally Posted by Pret Allez

Attitudes towards homosexuality have been complicated throughout history. In Alexander's time, stigma did not attach to the male penetrating partner; it did attach to the receptive partner through. The whole "it's not gay if I'm pitching" attitude has been repeated elsewhere in the world in various periods. The spread of religions have also had an impact. Suffice to say, people have discriminated against queers for a very long time.

They were gay pretty much but blamed the other guys, so shameful.

[SunSparks]

Originally Posted by Kidd

I've never had anyone say this to me before, but if they did, I already know what I'm going to say. I'm going to say, "You're right. I'm just in it for the fashion." There's no point arguing with them. If they're, you know, old enough to follow one logical thought to the next and don't live under a rock somewhere and they haven't seen the light by now, then they probably never will.

MMM.... I don't feel that way. It might be my optimism but I would at least try. I would rather that they at least hear the truth than to never hear it at all. I wouldn't bother trying to reexplain once you get it out there, but I think there is a chance, whatever sliver of a chance that may be, but there is a chance that what you said sits on them and at least makes them question what they believe to be true about us.