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| EC Addict Full Member ![]() Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Sydney - Australia Posts: 953 Join Date: Apr 2008 | In the past few years I've dived into the deep end of activism and politics in Australia, and am still coming to terms with a lot of the vernacular of this community. In the super PC (Politically Correct) world of activism, most predominantly based in Universities, the term 'Queer' has been the fundamental term when referring to the GBLTIG-Q community. I assume most of you would be aware that the 'Queer' term was, until recently, a colloquialised insult used my mainstream society. So I am curious; how do you feel about people using the term Queer to identify you? Has it been successfully reclaimed? Do you find it an insult/derogatory slang or do you use is as an inclusive term for the overall non cis-heteronormative community?
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| Student of Chivalry Full Member ![]() Gender: Male (Feminine, Crossdressing) Orientation: Bisexual (Trans*-Positive, Demisexual) Out Status: Some people Location: Helena, MT Age: 24 Posts: 3,404 Join Date: Apr 2012 | I identify as queer myself, and I use it as an umbrella term. Mostly it's just because people hate the alphabet soup. |
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| EC Addict Full Member ![]() Gender: Female Orientation: Gay Out Status: Some people Age: 24 Posts: 1,019 Join Date: Jul 2011 | I've never liked the word queer. I don't agree with reclaiming negative words in general and queer just doesn't feel right for me. In my opinion it's a word that was used in a derogatory manner that cannot ever be fully reclaimed. I honestly don't see the point in reclaiming words that were used against us. Like queer, fag, dyke and other terms. Out of those three I find queer the least offensive but still I dislike it. If an LGBT person wants to identify as queer, that's totally okay with me. But I personally don't want to identify as queer or be called queer. I am not insulted if an LGBT person calls us queer because I know they have good intentions. I prefer using LGBT. I don't mind adding more letters to be more inclusive. Even if it's LGBTPA etc etc. I never want to be forced into a label I dislike. Last edited by midwestgirl89; 29th Jul 2012 at 10:15 AM.. |
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| EC Addict Full Member ![]() Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Sydney - Australia Posts: 953 Join Date: Apr 2008 | Additionally, something I'm even MORE curious about getting an international perspective on is, is the inclusion of 'Polyamory' into the Queer umbrella. The polyamorist movement in Australia is one that is occurring almost exclusively in the queer community and has thus been shoved into the same category. But there is a lot of controversy out there as to whether or not relationship types constitute a 'queer identity'. Here's a copy and paste of a popular definition of polyamory at the moment. Polyamory: (from Greek πολύ [poly, meaning many or several] and Latin amor [love]) In its most basic form, it is defined as honest consensual non-monogamy. While some decline to allow that Swinging is part of PolyAmory, the basic definition still applies. You will find, though, that there are as many definitions of PolyAmory as there are people practicing it. PolyAmory must have as a basic more than 2 people in the relationship. Not all participants need be involved with every other participant, nor is co-housing a requirement
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| EC's Film Moron Full Member ![]() Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico Age: 18 Posts: 2,009 Join Date: May 2008 | Quote:
__________________ "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." -- Abraham Lincoln | |
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| Hope will never be silent Full Member ![]() Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Orlando, Florida Age: 22 Posts: 4,264 Join Date: Mar 2010 | Around my area "queer" pretty much already caught on. From what I get most people either don't care about the history of the word or don't know it. The only reason they like using it is because is the only word/label that is able to describe a whole group of people. Its easier to say than LGBT (or any other letters that you want to add) or easier than even saying "not straight". I personally don't really care either way. By this point you can call me whatever you want as long as you don't mean to insult me and I don't really care.
__________________ "Either/or is the language of bullies" - Kate Bornstein |
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| (ʘ‿ʘ)ノ✿ "Hold my flower" EC Admin Gender: Agender, male-assigned at birth Orientation: Panromantic (love all) androsexual (lust for men) Out Status: Sexuality: entirely out. Gender: Facebook friends. Location: Massachusetts, USA Age: 22 Posts: 4,623 Join Date: Jul 2007 | In my area, if someone used "queer" in a genuinely insulting way, even their homophobic friends would laugh at them. It has pretty much been successfully reclaimed around here, at least in the circles I frequent, so I've no problem with people using it; it's more inclusive than GLBT and more widely known than GSM (gender and sexual minorities).
__________________ ♫ I’m not a self-help book; I’m just a fucked up kid. I had to take my own advice and I did. Now I’m waiting for it to sink in. Expect me standing tall, back against the wall, 'cause what I learned was: It’s not about forcing happiness; it’s about not letting the sadness win. ♫ -The Wonder Years, "Local Man Ruins Everything" |
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| May all beings be happy EC Advisor ![]() Gender: Male Orientation: Mostly homosexual, panromantic Out Status: Out to eveyone as gay, a few as panromantic Location: Alaska Age: 23 Posts: 3,108 Join Date: Mar 2010 | I like the idea of reclaiming queer, but more as an umbrella term than a personal identity. I'm not a fan of bringing the polyamory and BDSM communities into the umbrella, although I think the case can be made more easily for the former than the latter.
__________________ So with a boundless mind may I cherish all living things, Suffusing love over the entire world - Above, below, and all around, without limit; So may I cultivate an infinite good will toward the whole world. - Metta Sutta |
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| Waiting Full Member ![]() Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Parents, 4 others Location: Saskatchewan Age: 21 Posts: 421 Join Date: Feb 2012 | I still wish the primary use of the word queer was to mean odd. It was a great word to use but now there's a whole social taboo around it that will never vanish. |
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| 40% green tea Regular Member Gender: Female Orientation: hnnng. Out Status: two but wish i hadn't :\ Location: England Posts: 308 Join Date: Feb 2012 | I have mixed feelings about the word 'queer'. It's good to use as an umberella term for LGBTet.c. but I prefer just saying 'not straight' myself.
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| as queer as a clockwork orange Full Member ![]() Gender: Comfortably female, but androgyne-minded Orientation: Somewhere between bi and pansexual Out Status: School/Friends, Some Family & Therapist Location: Monument, Colorado Age: 14 Posts: 950 Join Date: Jun 2012 | Quote:
__________________ "You're perfectly flawed, You're perfectly incomplete. Like cracks in the glass, And faded photographs..." ~Otep <3 | |
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| Apprentice Programmer Full Member ![]() Gender: Genderfluid (demigirl /androgyne) Orientation: Queer & Fluid Out Status: Anyone who asks (except grandparents) Location: Inside my own head Age: 20 Posts: 852 Join Date: Feb 2012 | I sometimes identify as queer. It's easier than trying to explain where I'm at with figuring out my orientation. I also agree with several other posters about its usefulness as an umbrella term. As for including polyamory and BDSM, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. I can see arguments both for and against it.
__________________ "I believe our future depends powerfully on how well we understand this Cosmos in which we float like a mote of dust in the morning sky." -- Carl Sagan |
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| comic relief Full Member ![]() Gender: Female Orientation: Double Gay Lesbian Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Northwestern USA Age: 19 Posts: 756 Join Date: Jul 2012 | Queer isn't popular or an insult in my area. It's just a word. I personally think it's a bit of a junk identity, because you're identifying yourself as "not normal". Great. By having that for your main identity, you haven't found out much about yourself, or told people anything about yourself, so why even tell However, if you want to talk about queer people, to refer to all GLBTWTFBBQ people inclusively, that's fine. ![]() I don't know about BDSM and polyamory myself. I think it's case by case. Swingers, no. But people who have strong, committed relationships with multiple people, yes. I think it really is contingent on how big a part of your identity and life it is. If it's something you find a big, important part of you, you should get a letter and fall under the queer labels.
__________________ Don't worry when people tell you you're going through a phase. Everything is just a phase. Currently I am in my being alive and breathing phase. But it's just a phase, it'll pass. |
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| Well Known Full Member ![]() Gender: Male Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: All but family Location: Leeds, England Age: 17 Posts: 215 Join Date: Feb 2012 | Personally, it's an antagonistic word. The homophobes in my year yell abuse at me, and one of the primary words they use is "queer". So.. Yeah. I don't like it. |
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| Let the journey of life continue! EC Moderator ![]() Gender: Let's say Pangender! Orientation: Let's say gay!! (Homoromantic Demisexual) Out Status: Out as pan to most, out as gay completely Location: Central and Northern Ohio Age: 20 Posts: 7,071 Join Date: Jun 2011 Tournaments Won: 9 | I don't mind the word queer. In my area, it has been mostly reclaimed. Most people use other words in my area when trying to insult LGBT people.
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