What The Actual Fuck?!

I have to respectfully disagree. I actually read, and enjoy several truscum blogs, and my impression is way different from yours. They're out there to fight the (what they, and I, see as harmful) view that transsexualism is an identity, not a medical condition. This doesn't apply to other people who feel they belong to a transgender umbrella, which some truscum see as valid, and others don't. About point B, they generally don't see people as not legitimately trans because they don't change their bits, but if a person doesn't have dysphoria, I'm sorry but they don't have transsexualism. It's a requirement for being diagnosed with GID. And yes, people appropriating my condition because they feel it's an identity hurts me, because these transtrenders cause the medical community to not take me serious. Like claiming bisexuality was popular back when I was in middle school, this is the new "in" thing. Implying it's an identity means that transition-related healthcare would be cosmetic; my transition is not cosmetic, it's a necessity that should be paid for by insurance. Many of these transtrenders also end up detransitioning, leading gender specialists to become hesitant or close down their services to people who really need them. Did you know that truscum have helped many people realise that they're not trans as well? If people can't stand up to opposition and still say they feel the same way, they weren't trans to begin with.

Edit: Oh, and here's a description of transtrenders that I wrote to someone:

"They tend to be in their teens to early 20's, 95% of them FTM or so they claim. They experience no dysphoria to the point of many saying they LOVE their genitals and post pictures of them, yet want to medically transition. The majority see being trans exclusively as an identity, and contradict that "identity" by using female words or pronouns to describe themselves, but expect to be taken seriously as men. It just bothers me that there are people out there appropriating our medical condition and making a mockery of our struggles. It's not cool."

 

I have to say I'm in the middle of the 2 stand points.

I agree with electrolicious description of "transtenders". It will always be people like that, and always a nuisance, because efectively "devaluates" the efforts of authentic transgenders.

But, I also have to agree with Lightningrider, people are too narrowminded. People who go through a difficult process, will often have some kind of "martyr syndrome", in which they think that no one understand the true suffering of "what they had to pass", and when find people who suffer the same way, start discriminating agaisnt people who "didn't suffer as much". You can see this at every human side, not only in transexuality.

For example, I reckon there's a lot of people who have gone through several hardships to transition, because they think there's no other choice. I don't think I have dysphoria, or that I don't have a choice, but that alone can't diminish the fact I spent 3/4 of my life negating I want to be a woman, and be treated as one.

The thing is, there is a lot of different situations for different people, not understanding that, is the grave mistake EVERY human being commits at some point in their lives.

 

I don't really know what truscum is, but...

Just because someone doesn't experience dysphoria with their genitals doesn't mean they aren't trans. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a vagina, but compared to having breasts, a feminine, face, and long hair... what's between my legs isn't a big deal. I more so just want to be able to go out in public and be a girl. I have a friend who is MtF that wouldn't want to part with their penis, but they've been on HRT for over 2 years. Does that mean they aren't trans? I don't think so...

 

honestly i don't see genderfluid, gay, trans, pan, or ANY of it as an "identity". that sort of implies we're jsut choosing to be this way. i think they are ALL 'medical conditions' unless one day you sat down, gave it a thought and then said 'oh, what the hell, i'm going to be genderfluid/gay/whatever."

Whatever it is that makes us what we all are, be it trans, gay, fluid, everything, nothing, straight, or a strange mix of them...i don't see any of that as an identity. I choose my identity. I get up in the morning and put on clothes and do my hair to give me an identity. I choose to be a little withdrawn, a little jokey a little...unique. Being gay isn't my distinguishing character bit, it's not my personality. It's my sexuality. Identifies as gay, but gay doesn't identify me.



and maybe this is a really fucking stupid way to think, but i also don't care if someone is a "real" gay or chosen, a "real" trans or just confused, a "real" man or not....i will go off someones cues...if you tell me how you feel and what you want, that's what you are to me. this real/fake crap jsut divides and kills us as a human race. It doesn't MATTER if it's medical or not or chosen or not, that is not what is devaluing people, what matters (and what is devaluing them) are people's attitudes and how they express those feelings they have and when they belittle others that hurts us all.

We are all HUMANS. that's the only classification that matters to me beyond if you are a nice person or not....I'm sad others can't seem to see it that way and jsut have to keep drawing more lines.

Live as YOU. That's what matters.


None of this probly makes sense. This is one of those times I really fucking hate the dyslexia, because I'm sure what I want to say ins't coming out very well with the words. My beef isn't with anyone in this thread, it's just in general. I respect you all so much.
I get so scared when I post stuff like this...I always think i'll piss someone off.

 

I'm more of a realist in this situation. I believe I will always be trans, but it is not an identity. It's just a tiny part of me. I'm a woman first and trans second. It will always be there, though. I can't go back in time. I can't genetically alter my embryo to have XX. I will never be cis--as much as I want to be.

These people that delude themselves into thinking that transitioning will magically make them cis are frightening to me. Such delusion is not at all healthy. Also, you can't become something. You either are cis or you're not. Much like how I have always been a woman, I will always be trans.

 

trans - identifies as the opposite gender they are physically

so, doesnt mater what you do, trans is trans and cis is cis

hate that im male physically, but doing everything short of surgery (for now dont know, want to be preceived female, as for genitals-the person i date will understand enough not to care what is there)
i do want the delusion that it will make cis, but that would just be not logical (want magic wishes XC)

so yeah, i just hate the human race as a whole, they are all selfish idiots
but individuals can be smart and empathetic

 

I'm not surprised there's hatred within the trans community , I mean you see it in every minority , blacks hate on people that are light skin black versus dark skin black, gays hate on lesbians and they both hate on bi-sexuals, it' a terrible cycle .

 

"Not trans enough". I don't honestly see why one person could judge another for not wanting HRT/SRS. I think that the people who claim that those people aren't trans can be compared to those who try to tell us that people are either 100% gay or 100% straight. Excuse me, there's just as much of a spectrum here--and it's okay for someone who falls over the 50% mark to describe themselves as MtF/FtM, because they are closer to the opposite of their birth sex.

I wonder if some of the people described as "transtrenders" above are those who fall on the spectrum. Don't judge someone just because they don't have the degree of dysphoria that you do. Hell, lots of people have body dysphoria, and not just trans--people want to be skinnier, taller, smaller-nosed, bigger-breasted etc. I'm probably somewhere on the 40% mark, and I wish I didn't have breasts--there's my gender dysphoria, and I would never describe myself as transsexual.

...I hope that made sense.

 

Do not meddle in the affairs of social justice bloggers, for they are subtle and quick to anger.

 

^^This.

Completely agree. Took the words right out of my brain. Being all "you're not as [this]than me because of [a, b, c]..." is just ignorant. Why must different kinds of trans/gay/lesbian/bi/pan/crossdressing whatever people prove themselves to the "true ones" of that kind. What makes them so "true" in the first place? There is no "true" anything. No one makes the rules, no one sets the guidelines for these things and pretending that you do and judging others because of your own bias helps no one. If anything it makes the process of someone accepting themself more difficult because they feel like they have to meet a certain criteria and if they lack in any category, they'll be denounced or rejected. That's just wrong. Let people be who they want. If they define themselves using ten different terms, so be it. It's how they feel and they shouldn't be made to feel like a freak or feel like they have to subscribe to just one terminology/lifestyle, especially not in a community that's supposedly all about accepting difference. But this doesn't surprise me, the in-hating. It happens in so many groups, not just national or racial, but even social (like how goths hate on emos because they feel the emos make them-goths-look weak or whatever the fuck their beef is.) The fact that this is even a thing means that at the end of the day, people will still judge and hate on other people, despite being in a similar boat and some people will not stop, think, and educate themselves to prevent that kind of behavior because they're just...so up their own ass.

I also completely agree with the poster that made the martyr sydrome comment. That's exactly what this sounds like a case of. I recently had to deal with that on another topic about hearing aids. It was just so annoying. I hate when people wear their suffering like a degree that makes them life experts or a badge that allows them to pass judgement on anyone that's going through something similar, but doesn't share the exact same feelings or outcomes. What arrogance.

 

Wow. I'm away for most of the day and this is what happens. I'm not even exactly sure what I'm going to say here, but as heated as this thread seems to be getting, I feel like I should comment, so I suppose I'll let my fingers do a little walking here while my mind tries to coalesce some of my errant mental energy into coherent thoughts.

First of all, questioning people about their gender identity is legitimate to a degree. As it was said earlier, lots of people have body dysphoria, not just Trans people. Unfortunately, people do sometimes mistake these other dysphorias for being Trans, not to mention the fact that there are other psychological conditions that can make a person feel that they are Trans even when it may be an entirely different issue. Now, I have no trouble with a person believing in what they are or believe they are. The problem arises in that there are people who have believed they were transgendered when they weren't, gone through transition and realized they were wrong, and killed themselves because of it. Gender, sexuality, you can look on this site alone and find that many times we're not completely sure what we are ourselves. It happens. Questioning somebody, in my opinion, shouldn't be about outright invalidating them and their beliefs though, it should be about making them really think about it and carefully consider it themselves so that they make the right choice. I simply think it's important to make sure that the person has really considered the implications of what they're doing, and that they know in their heart that's what they are. I hope that what I've said here makes sense without crossing any lines. I'm not for outright telling anybody that they aren't Trans, or Trans enough, simply making them really ask themselves the tough questions so that they can be sure they're making the right decisions for themselves.

Onto the Trans on Trans hatred. I've seen it first hand. Two years ago, when I thought I was ready to face this and come out with it, I was on a different forum. It was a Transgender forum and, I don't remember what it was called, but I would never go back to it. Every other thread seemed to break out into a flame war between people who claimed that the others weren't Trans because they didn't do extremely specific things like, and I'm serious, sit to pee. There was an entire thread war devoted to that topic alone. There were a few accepting people on that site, but so many of them were just as judgmental as many straight cis people are toward us. It made me immensely sad, I shut down my account and went right back into the closet largely because of what I found on that site. I'm not kidding.

I don't have the right to outright tell people what they feel inside, and there are different degrees of being transgender. I simply believe in discussing the issue openly with people, and making them certain that what they feel is the result of falling into the Transgender category and not the symptom of a different, psychological rather than physical, issue.

Myself, should it become possible for me down the line, I would go in for SRS. Will it make me cis? No but it would make me more comfortable with myself. Will I die, or do something crazy if it isn't financially feasible? No. Just being perceived as a woman; hair, breasts, ect... as Snow said, would go along way toward easing my dysphoria, and as Valerie said, if it came down to it, then my lover would have to be somebody who understood and accepted what was between my legs.

I feel I've rambled and I'm not sure I've said much of relevance, but I am getting tired here so please forgive a girl for her jumbled mess of opinions

 

Exactly. It is obvious that all trans people don't experience gender dysphoria in the same level. If someone says that everyone should have it in the way they do, that clearly shows their ignorence and lack of tolerance.

It's sad to see some people trying to emphasize stereotypes so much. Stereotypes are just general view point. And as to what I know we should remember that most of the studies done about transgender community are by cis-gender people who never had experience what we go through, so based on how they can understand it, and also that there are not enough researches done to make solid decisions. So trying to promote or adhere to a stereotype like saying by ' if no dysphoria and then should not be fit for SRS' and such, would just more confuse people who try to understand their gender confusion and be pushed to be more closeted.

As I see this, valuing gender dysphoria in a positive way like some people try to do and wanting to be stuck with it not only for them but also for the whole community, is just trying to drag transgender people to more downwards to hell. Even anyone agrees or not, as transgenders, most of us are longing for a opposite body type if we can have it, as that is how we become transgender. But these ideas spread a view, that if someone can deal with dysphoria in some positive way,they have to forget their desires for changing body too, or they should become or make them selves miserable to the level to those who already are in severe levels, and be eligible to change it.

Treating it as an identity or a medical condition or not, having something like, that a person is judged as unable to live in a social life independently, IMO, is not that attractive as some people see it. Also the fact that I myself don't go through such s***t don't make me feel I have any right to deny that no one experience it so bad. And I do understand that they could bc I can see how someone could get into such conditions. But at the same time, no such people who experience dysphoria severly, should have the right to admit, that no one can be real or genuine as they themselves are, if we don't go through what they experience. Because they don't have any right to judge others based on their own feelings, as how each of us face our problems is based on and varied by our own experiences and thinking patterns. As it is true that, despite of how much we harass our selves with our emotions, as trans people, what we all want is the opposite body to what we are born, but only how we cope with it is different. Also I don't say, dysphoria don't exist or should be denied or def not to be looked down, as there are people who go through it as hell. But promoting it is as some people chose to do, IMO, is worse than hell for the future of transgender people in general.

As I've seen, why most of who get aggressive about on disagreements on dysphoria, commonly do that, bc of what they fear to lose due to losing it's recognition. That is if it is not considered as a medical condition and then they'd have to come up with health care and insurance issues, etc. Anyway I'd like to ignore the fact how materialistic and selfish it is. But still how fair is it, for anyone with whatever such reason, to prejudice someone who faces same gender problems, and how fair is it to act against someone bc of having and facing problems in different levels and approaches to themselves? But I think what they ignore most is that these requirements of the current systems they'll need, have to change also if the conception of dysphoria itself change, so that the system would also change.

 

Hmmm... I'm probably in the 30-40% area, coming from the other side. Strange thing is, in me it fluctuates. I usually wish I DID have breasts, and occasionally wish the boys would go away.

 

I'm confused....but this has really taught me a thing or two about transgenderism and what not, thanks!

 

I fluctuate too. I'm very feminine, and my expression of that varies. I wonder if it might be a bit of a hormonal thing... I'll trade you parts, though.

 

No one should be judged for how hey r born, and no one should be labeled, they can label themselves, it's nooner business except for the people who they choose to tell
Everyone just needs to love everyone and everything will be fine

 

I wouldn't said it better.