Being an outcast because of unpopular values!

So how do you feel about people getting abortions before science advances to the point where we can totally prevent unwanted pregnancies, e.g. in the present day?

 

I know what you mean but if someone is going to cut you out of their life because of your values, then they really weren't worth your time and you'll be better without them anyway. I mean, just as an example, one of my best friends is a pretty hardcore Christian. I've known her since high school, but we ended up interning together this summer and as she likes to say, I "corrupted" her then. As in, I drank a lot, partied a lot, I tend to dress pretty extravagantly. I'm a pretty hardcore liberal that is pro-choice under any circumstances, and an Obamabot. She is the total opposite in almost every single way--she supported McCain and Romney, is pro-life, goes to church every Sunday. And, you know what, we still have a shit-load of fun when we hang out together, and I love that bitch. I'd rather someone be totally honest with me, on a real level, than pretend to be something they're not because they feel like that's what I want from them. I'd be hurt, honestly, if I found out someone was keeping something from me because they'd think I wouldn't want their time or love or compassion, over something as silly as politics. It'd be suggesting that I'm only their friend on the whims of ideology when I'm way more interested in their character and soul.

 

I agree.

In my case, I always speak with all the truth as I know it, and don't care what people feel in doing so (because, you know, 'truth' is always hard). This have pushed away some unworthy people.

There was a day when I was actually thanked for speaking like this. A friend (one of the only 4 people I call "friend") was studying medicine on the local university. It's widely known that medicine career has the highest academic load of all careers (at least on this university).

He'd been some time complaining about how much he had to read for his classes, and one day that we went to the movies, he was talking about how he hadn't much time to do this things, because he suffered a lot with the tons of homework he had, etc, etc. He kept talking about that, until I got tired and told him that I knew he had a huge load, but that he was comitting the same mistake as other people, and he believed that only because he suffered a lot, he seemed to feel kind of superior, but he forgot that other people, while haven't suffered as much, did suffer too.

He was silent for a moment, before he smiled and told me that that's why he liked to talk with me so much, because I won't shut up just to not hurt him. After that he tried to complain less hehe.

 

Oh yes I understand this. I'm a minority in the minorities. (And I'm part of a lot of minorities.) So, I end up being a loner. I don't want those friends. I'm not sure if I'm even a minority, or just a singularity.

 

You'd get along with my family. All of us are feminists who are opposed to abortion because we consider life to start at conception.

Oddly enough, I'm not sure if beliefs are a choice. I don't think I chose to believe what I believe. I just looked at facts, tried to make sense of them in a way I could understand, and ended up with opinions as a result. For example, I didn't chose to convert to atheism, I just found that Christianity stopped making sense to me, and decided to be open about it.

 

I form my views based on my own research, independently from those of my friends and family. Since they like to argue I have become very good at altering the course of the conversation to avoid sensitive issues. I am also very good at arguing, I just don't like to argue with family 'cause we all be cut from the same stubborn cloth.

 

Seriously, just out of curiosity, why at conception?

 

And abortion IS a tough one. I think I could probably agree with you that life starts at conception, but I'm still pro-abortion, because I think it's morally wrong to bring an unwanted child into the world.

 

Okay, then. I'm not sure exactly what your views are, and I don't want to make unfair assumptions. However, regarding your solution, that still leaves the question about what to do with this.

Trigger warning.

Spoiler

A Woman Dies in Ireland After Being Denied Abortion

 

I'm the same way I'm always out cast because I don't believe in abortion except in the case of rape and if the couple has taken every step to be protected , to me a baby shouldn't die because people can't face their responsibility ( and I don't mean they have to keep it give it to a loving couple that will give it a good life) I knew a girl when I was a freshman in high school and she was a junior and had already had 3 abortions, you can't just throw it away like its an old toy and keep doing it over and over.

 

What about my other exception above?

 

Fair enough; my apologies for asking.

I think he addressed that when he said this his solution would eliminate the need for abortions "that aren't medically necessary like this one." I inferred from that that he's okay with abortions that are medically necessary to save the mother's life.

Same here. I don't think we choose our beliefs; I think we're compelled to believe what we believe by the evidence we're presented, by our biases, and by our experiences. It's as much of a choice as our preference for vanilla or chocolate ice cream is a choice.

 

I'm addressing a new poster who enumerated every case except this one.

 

Oh wow. I must have just seen the word "Purple" in their name and assumed it was PurpleCrab. My bad. :icon_redf

 

I'm on my iPad didn't see what you were asking about but if it endangers the mothers life then yes she should have an abortion.

 

Hey, hey, hey! Just because you are LGBT doesn't make you an outcast! That's very stereotypical of you.

Oh, and... I'm totally not an outcast because of LGBT... well...

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I've been outcasted for many things throughout my life. It' just something that I have become used to over time.

There are some people that do see me as an outcast because of my beliefs. This happens mainly in my hometown though and not at my college.

 

the sterilization thing sounds interesting - but what about women who only voluntarily have sex with other women? surely we wouldn't have to be sterilized just in case some man rapes us.

i am anti-forced-pregnancy and i do have friends who are on the other side of the fence. the key, i think, is that we all accept that none of us are going to change the others' views. we can debate issues amicably, but we all draw the line at trying to force our views down each others' throats. i would not have any desire to be friends with someone who was constantly telling me i'm in the wrong and their point of view is the only right one.