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Interesting Dilemma

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by DMark69, Mar 13, 2013.

  1. DMark69

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    I was just asked by my husband's mom to volunteer as a Den Leader for my nephew's Webelos Den (Cub Scouts/BSA). I have taken him to scouts before, but I have not told them about me. I was a Cub Scout/Boy Scout as a kid, and I think I could do a good job, but there is the still existing ban on gay scouts, and leaders. If they would eliminate the ban, the decision would be easy, and I would take the job.

    What to do...
     
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    Scouts survey members on whether to keep gay ban

    PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Faced with a backlash against their ban on gays, the Boy Scouts of America are surveying their members on a potential change in policy.

    A questionnaire distributed to 1.1 million adult Scouts uses fictional situations to discern where Scouting's membership falls on questions of homosexuality, gays camping with children and gays in church leadership. It allows adult Scouts to indicate a range of feelings, from strong support to strong opposition to the ban on gays.

    Some questions are direct queries of the respondent's feelings on homosexuality and children.

    "Bob is 15 years old, and the only openly gay Scout in a Boy Scout troop," the survey begins its third question. "Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the troop leader to allow Bob to tent with a heterosexual boy on an overnight camping trip?"

    But the majority of the 13-question survey is more nuanced, including two open-ended questions about the impact of either banning or allowing gay members. Many of the questions indicate scenarios that would likely arise should the ban on gays be lifted.

    For instance, should the lesbian mother of a Tiger Cub be allowed to serve as den leader if the pack is chartered to a church that teaches that homosexuality is not wrong? Should a gay youth minister be allowed to serve as a Scoutmaster? Should a boy with the qualifications for Eagle Scout be denied the award if he reveals he's gay at his board review?

    After the theoretical situations are posed, the survey then again asks respondents about their feelings on gays in Scouting. The Scouts provided the survey by email Tuesday morning to The Associated Press.

    Long the province of a strict anti-gay policy that went so far as to put members found to be gay in the organization's secret "perversion" files, Scouting has now generally evolved into a sort of "don't-ask, don't-tell" policy concerning its membership — even if the "don't-tell" aspect means the national leadership has had to ignore news accounts of its troops publicly declaring their refusal to abide by the ban on gays.

    That's already happening in some branches of the organization, including troops in Minnesota, California and Massachusetts, but few troops are eager to publicize their positions, which could end with the troop losing its charter for breaking with the central Scouts office.

    The survey introduces the possibility of acknowledging those differences.

    "Different organizations that charter Boy Scout troops have different positions on the morality of homosexuality," the survey said. "Do you support or oppose allowing charter organizations to follow their own beliefs when selecting Boy Scout members and adult leaders, if that means there will be different standards from one organization to the next?"

    The survey questions are part of a semi-annual survey called The Voice of The Scout. It was distributed via email to registered volunteers and parents of Scouts of whom the organization had email addresses. Scouts alumni will receive the surveys in "the next couple of days," said Scouts spokesman Deron Smith. Current Boy Scouts weren't sent these questions.

    The questions were developed by North Star Opinion Research, a Virginia research firm that says it serves political, corporate and nonprofit clients.

    "We are currently in the 'Listening Phase,' where the BSA's committees engage key stakeholders for input and develop a summary report," Smith said in an email. "Part of this process is to survey a variety of key stakeholders."

    Smith said the organization convened a committee in 2010 made up of professional and volunteer Scouts to review the gay ban. After two years of research, Smith said the committee decided to maintain the policy.

    In May, that could change. A proposed resolution that will address whether to modify or rescind the policy will be developed for the Scouts' National Council to vote on.
     
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    I know about the survey, and it is hopeful that they will reverse their ban in May. All I can do there at the moment is make sure that my nephew's survey is filled out by his grandma.
     
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    Just a follow up. I sent an email to the cub scout pack, stating that I would like to help, but wouldn't hide who I am and got this email back:
    I don't know if that means they are willing to accept me for the job of Den Leader or not. Maybe they will wait to see what national does in May.
     
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    Wow, was the person who wrote that not a native English speaker?

    It seems like he means to contact you later with more info. Maybe he needs to discuss it with other people before giving a definitive answer, even if they don't want to wait for the national decision.
     
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    Sadly, I'd bet it *is* a native English speaker. The quality of written English I'm seeing in a lot of places (EC being a notable exception) is simply abysmal.

    On topic: I'd guess that the person who responded would support your having the role, but my guess is it should probably wait until May. That organization has its head so far up its ass right now, they've had local troops say one thing, the regional say something different... and local and regional agree and then the national veto it. So you'd be best off waiting until they've got a policy in place, at least that's the route I'd go.