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Alexander · 23rd Mar 2008, 11:15 PM

Read about it here.

Maybe something good will come out of this... Let's wait and see.

I'm sure it's going to be all over the news very soon.

P.S. The organization that is sponsoring this was set up 31 years ago by Sr. Jeannine Gramick, the original Catholic fag hag and one of the most well recognized religious advocates for acceptance of GLBT rights... She also worked on this movie, which I recommend to everyone.

Negasta · 23rd Mar 2008, 11:41 PM

I have no time for the gay Catholics and their attempt to suck up to Ratzinger and his lackeys. It is frankly quite revolting to see these people try to pander to an institution that for centuries murdered GBLT people in the most horrific ways possible and only stopped when they lost political power. The church is also complicit in every homophobic attack committed by its followers because of its preaching that homosexuality is a mortal sin and that GBLT people are tainted by the Devil and in rebellion against God.

The Catholic Church should have been extirpated in 1945 along with the fascists that it had been so eager to support during the war and spirit away to South America afterwards. The Pope chose to support Hitler and every Catholic then and now tacitly supports this because of their belief in papal infallibility.

Every time I'm told of a church that ministers to GBLT people, I just point people to the parts of their "Word of God" that condemn every single person on this site to death.

Alexander · 23rd Mar 2008, 11:46 PM

I don't even want to respond to that.

waitingsucks · 24th Mar 2008, 02:36 AM

Well it's freedom of speech as well as belief. Even though the Church has a terrible past with treatment of the GLBT community, there is no good reason why we should condone people, just because they're trying to work towards a better future.

But yeah I don't want to debate about the catholic church, just congratulate the people who are trying to improve it.

Paul_UK · 24th Mar 2008, 03:26 AM

I have removed some inappropriate language from one post and I don't like the way this thread is going after only three replies.

If people want to have a calm civilised discussion then that's fine, but if we are get more posts throwing insults around or whatever then it'll be closed.

heatqueen · 24th Mar 2008, 07:08 AM

Hopefully some good will come from this.

pirateninja · 24th Mar 2008, 07:25 AM

I don't want to start some kind of religious debate, but if we don't respect others, how the hell can we expect to get any kind of respect back?

Ditto to Heatqueen's sentiments.

trumpetkid23 · 24th Mar 2008, 07:33 AM

OMFG!!!!! Gregory Maguire is addressing him!! He wrote Wicked (yay) and is an extremely articulate person. I'm certain that he will be able to present some incredible arguments and powerful words to the Pope. That makes me so happy!!!!

Alexander · 24th Mar 2008, 09:30 AM

haha that's what I said

I was like, "OMG I LOVE YOU"

Psychedelic Bookmarks · 24th Mar 2008, 11:28 AM

Well that's brave of them

Personally, I think this Pope is evil... way worse than the last one. No offence to any Catholics, but I'll only expect positive reform in the Roman Catholic Church when he's gone. That's not to say I think there won't be progress after him, it's just that this guy reminds me of the demon headmaster and I'm afraid that no LGBT speakers will ever change his neolithic ways. :S But if any other Catholics watch this, it might make them feel more postiviely about LGBTs, which is just as important, really

trumpetkid23 · 24th Mar 2008, 11:31 AM

I have quite a few Catholic friends, and none of them like the Pope (and I don't mean to offend anybody who does). I sent this article to my best friend (who is Catholic), and she replied:

The Pope can fall off the Earth.

Anyway,

!

Although, you're definitely right. This could be a VERY positive step. I'm excited this is happening!

Tyce · 24th Mar 2008, 11:35 AM

I'm actually excited that this is happening too.

I love God and I'm a Catholic, too.
Some people say this and that about the Catholic church saying that its all bad and stuff, but if you can feel that God loves you, then there's nothing to worry about.
Yeah, It's great to know that, it would be even wonderful if the Pope said a positve comment about the Gay/Lesbian catholics, that would be just awesome!

Alexander · 24th Mar 2008, 11:35 AM

@ Helena:

While I agree that this pope isn't exactly gay-friendly, he was on the plane back from malta with Sr. Gramick, and he told her that she wouldn't be excommunicated for speaking out for gay rights, so he can't be "evil" since he has the power to silence one of the biggest catholic LGBT voices, and he chose not to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20080316/local/the-unlikely-rebel

Doesn't she fear excommunication, if she persists in her crusade?

"No. But when I was going through the investigation process my provincial put the idea in my head. She insisted we take a pilgrimage to the birthplace of our foundress to pray for a miracle," she recalls with an affectionate smile.

Through sheer coincidence, travelling on the plane between Rome and Munich was Cardinal Ratzinger himself.

"My superior went up to him and said, 'Sr Jeannine is a very good sister. We're very afraid she's going to get excommunicated'. And he replied, 'Oh, no no... it's not that level of doctrine'," she laughs, admitting that her miracle had happened on the plane.

I actually think that JPII was worse considering our rights. That's why I'm so positive that something will come of this, even if it's a small something.

P.S. I don't like the pope either

but you got whacha got.

Psychedelic Bookmarks · 24th Mar 2008, 12:17 PM

OK, he's not evil

I don't actually believe a person can be evil. And it's good he doesn't think it's an excommunicationable offence. But I find him extremely tiresome and I have low expectations of him ever pleasantly suprising me, especially in this department. But, we live in hope!

Sam · 24th Mar 2008, 12:56 PM

I don't really want to say more than I hope that only good can come of this and not anything bad. I wish I could bring myself to be religious like I once was but I can't and it kind of makes me sad but I got tired of the hatred I experienced from church (I'm not catholic) but just from the church I used to go to.

trumpetkid23 · 24th Mar 2008, 01:08 PM

Oooh, what you guys said about Sr. Gramick is certainly encouraging. I have a good feeling about this.

23rd Mar 2008, 11:15 PM	#1
Alexander EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Red Hook NY Age: 19 Posts: 2,736 Join Date: Dec 2007	Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope Read about it here. Maybe something good will come out of this... Let's wait and see. I'm sure it's going to be all over the news very soon. P.S. The organization that is sponsoring this was set up 31 years ago by Sr. Jeannine Gramick, the original Catholic fag hag and one of the most well recognized religious advocates for acceptance of GLBT rights... She also worked on this movie, which I recommend to everyone. Last edited by Alexander; 23rd Mar 2008 at 11:19 PM..

23rd Mar 2008, 11:41 PM	#2
Negasta Resident Atheist Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: 5 Friends and my mom Location: Pretoria, South Africa Age: 26 Posts: 1,240 Join Date: Aug 2006	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope I have no time for the gay Catholics and their attempt to suck up to Ratzinger and his lackeys. It is frankly quite revolting to see these people try to pander to an institution that for centuries murdered GBLT people in the most horrific ways possible and only stopped when they lost political power. The church is also complicit in every homophobic attack committed by its followers because of its preaching that homosexuality is a mortal sin and that GBLT people are tainted by the Devil and in rebellion against God. The Catholic Church should have been extirpated in 1945 along with the fascists that it had been so eager to support during the war and spirit away to South America afterwards. The Pope chose to support Hitler and every Catholic then and now tacitly supports this because of their belief in papal infallibility. Every time I'm told of a church that ministers to GBLT people, I just point people to the parts of their "Word of God" that condemn every single person on this site to death. __________________ Mankind shall not be free until the last king is strangled in the entrails of the last priest. -- Denis Diderot, Dithyrambe Sur La Fête Des Rois Last edited by Paul_UK; 24th Mar 2008 at 03:24 AM.. Reason: Inappropriate language removed

23rd Mar 2008, 11:46 PM	#3
Alexander EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Red Hook NY Age: 19 Posts: 2,736 Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope I don't even want to respond to that.

24th Mar 2008, 02:36 AM	#4
waitingsucks Rainbow Philosopher Full Member Gender: XY Orientation: Guylove (between 2 guys) Out Status: 3 people. Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Age: 19 Posts: 2,736 Join Date: Aug 2007	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope Well it's freedom of speech as well as belief. Even though the Church has a terrible past with treatment of the GLBT community, there is no good reason why we should condone people, just because they're trying to work towards a better future. But yeah I don't want to debate about the catholic church, just congratulate the people who are trying to improve it. __________________ "Do you think so little of me that if I had a choice, I'd choose to live my life dodging prejudice and discrimination?" What's all this stuff about choice? You are the way you are and no one can tell you contrary to what you know in your heart.

24th Mar 2008, 03:26 AM	#5
Paul_UK Former Empty Closets Admin Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Bournemouth, UK Age: 47 Posts: 13,155 Join Date: Nov 2004	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope I have removed some inappropriate language from one post and I don't like the way this thread is going after only three replies. If people want to have a calm civilised discussion then that's fine, but if we are get more posts throwing insults around or whatever then it'll be closed. __________________ Paul

24th Mar 2008, 07:08 AM	#6
heatqueen Official #1 fan of Celine Dion Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Pansexual/Homoromantic bisexual Out Status: Generally whoever asks Location: I travel a lot Age: 20 Posts: 5,707 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope Hopefully some good will come from this. __________________ Don't drink and drive. You might hit a bump and spill your drink. Co-founder of the 'Sailor Moon Made Me Gay' club...and the lesbians.

24th Mar 2008, 07:25 AM	#7
pirateninja EC's Sailor Uranus Full Member Gender: Biologically Female Orientation: Heterosexually Challenged Out Status: Most people Location: Bath, England Age: 21 Posts: 5,853 Join Date: Sep 2007	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope I don't want to start some kind of religious debate, but if we don't respect others, how the hell can we expect to get any kind of respect back? Ditto to Heatqueen's sentiments. __________________ Holly the Pirateninja Ars Longa, Vita Brevis.

24th Mar 2008, 07:33 AM	#8
trumpetkid23 Well Known Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: New York City Age: 21 Posts: 171 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope OMFG!!!!! Gregory Maguire is addressing him!! He wrote Wicked (yay) and is an extremely articulate person. I'm certain that he will be able to present some incredible arguments and powerful words to the Pope. That makes me so happy!!!!

24th Mar 2008, 09:30 AM	#9
Alexander EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Red Hook NY Age: 19 Posts: 2,736 Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope haha that's what I said I was like, "OMG I LOVE YOU"

24th Mar 2008, 11:28 AM	#10
Psychedelic Bookmarks Helena Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: Close family and quite a few friends Location: UK Age: 18 Posts: 2,195 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope Well that's brave of them Personally, I think this Pope is evil... way worse than the last one. No offence to any Catholics, but I'll only expect positive reform in the Roman Catholic Church when he's gone. That's not to say I think there won't be progress after him, it's just that this guy reminds me of the demon headmaster and I'm afraid that no LGBT speakers will ever change his neolithic ways. :S But if any other Catholics watch this, it might make them feel more postiviely about LGBTs, which is just as important, really __________________ "I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial." (Morissey)

24th Mar 2008, 11:31 AM	#11
trumpetkid23 Well Known Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: New York City Age: 21 Posts: 171 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope I have quite a few Catholic friends, and none of them like the Pope (and I don't mean to offend anybody who does). I sent this article to my best friend (who is Catholic), and she replied: The Pope can fall off the Earth. Anyway, ! Although, you're definitely right. This could be a VERY positive step. I'm excited this is happening!

24th Mar 2008, 11:35 AM	#12
Tyce Member Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: 85% Gay, 15% Bi Out Status: Mum+Dad+Sister+ 1BestestFriend+5Friends Age: 19 Posts: 59 Join Date: Mar 2008	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope I'm actually excited that this is happening too. I love God and I'm a Catholic, too. Some people say this and that about the Catholic church saying that its all bad and stuff, but if you can feel that God loves you, then there's nothing to worry about. Yeah, It's great to know that, it would be even wonderful if the Pope said a positve comment about the Gay/Lesbian catholics, that would be just awesome! __________________ __________________________________________________ He's Got me LoveStoned, I'm so high, I think I'm LoveStoned. He's got me LoveStoned, I think that he knows,

24th Mar 2008, 12:17 PM	#14
Psychedelic Bookmarks Helena Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: Close family and quite a few friends Location: UK Age: 18 Posts: 2,195 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope OK, he's not evil I don't actually believe a person can be evil. And it's good he doesn't think it's an excommunicationable offence. But I find him extremely tiresome and I have low expectations of him ever pleasantly suprising me, especially in this department. But, we live in hope! __________________ "I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial." (Morissey)

24th Mar 2008, 12:56 PM	#15
Sam "define normal" Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Lesbian Out Status: out to most, ask and I'll tell Location: Oklahoma Age: 25 Posts: 1,206 Join Date: Aug 2006	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope I don't really want to say more than I hope that only good can come of this and not anything bad. I wish I could bring myself to be religious like I once was but I can't and it kind of makes me sad but I got tired of the hatred I experienced from church (I'm not catholic) but just from the church I used to go to. __________________ Love knows no gender, it has no boundaries, it is blind yet everyday I wake up to a world of hate and little acceptance, it's sad that I'm hated not for who I am but for who I love~ me (Sam)

24th Mar 2008, 01:08 PM	#16
trumpetkid23 Well Known Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: New York City Age: 21 Posts: 171 Join Date: Jan 2008	Re: Prominent Gay/Lesbian Catholics Address the Pope Oooh, what you guys said about Sr. Gramick is certainly encouraging. I have a good feeling about this.