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Responding to People on Apps

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Rakkaus, May 4, 2013.

  1. Rakkaus

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    Um, alright so I know we're not allowed to mention any of the 'apps' due to the irrational paranoia of the admins of this forum (delightfully Stalinist really, pretend it doesn't exist, et voila, it doesn't exist!)...but I know most of us are on those apps anyway.

    But anyway, I have a whole bunch of those apps. I have a profile. But people message me. And I don't respond. I feel bad, but I'm just too anxious and stuff.

    I'm on a dating site too, though I gave up checking up on that. I cleared out all my profile info, so it's just a name and a picture like that ******** commercial mocks. But people message me, and I still get e-mail messages telling me people have sent me things.

    How do you guys all decide whether to respond to people? Is there anyway to tell that people are really interested in a relationship and not just a hookup? I'm so not interested in any sort of hookup, but it seems like gay guys at least are only interested in sex and physicality. :confused: Should I respond to anyone? What criteria should I use in deciding whom I send responses to?
     
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    What you have to understand is that the administrators do it because that's what their attorneys told them to do. That's why the "full member"/"regular member" divide exists. It's to defend litigation if there's ever an instance of sexual predation. That said, I love and hate the Six Asterisks.

    The way I decide to respond to people is if they sound like they are gentlemen. I also profile-check. I don't contact people who are over 35, and I don't contact anyone who has "no femmes" in their profile.

    As always, I recommend meeting people in a public place first and vetting them being ethical people. I have met with two guys on Six Asterisks, and the first guy was nice and we had pretty alright sex (considering my relative inexperience). The second guy was a self-absorbed psychological games-man who shut me out on the second date.
     
  3. When it comes to apps, I only respond if they actually give me something to respond to. If they give a two or three words phrase, then I just assume they are either not interested, or wanting something else that I am not wanting at that time.

    If you are so anxious and want to figure people out before meeting them, why don't you just try having a normal conversation with them about all the cliche stuff first? Sure, it's repetitive, but it'll open up opportunities to lead the conversation somewhere else. If they sit there and say "body pic? dick pic?" etc., you can just stop responding then.
     
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    the apps really only exist because people want to use your body, nothing more.

    given the inherient risk and danger these apps entail, the website has a strict policy that you do that on your own time, and they dont want the forums to be included in it.

    That is not stalinistic, that is 'this is their website, and therefore, their private property.'
     
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    It is Stalinistic, but you and I are likewise allowed to express our opinions of it as private capitalism entails. Ciao! :grin:
     
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    Thanks for the tips. Yeah I know the admins of this forum are motivated by self-interest no less than anyone else. I find the whole "pretend it doesn't exist, therefore it doesn't exist" notion silly, but it worked for Stalin, and it evidently works for them.

    I'd only responded to a few people thus far, and only gotten myself into deeper messes.

    I really want a boyfriend, a real relationship with someone who would care about me beyond physical things, but it seems impossible. :frowning2:
     
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    Yes, run like hell if they ask for more pics! Those are pigs! Also get ready for guys who are looking for one-nighters only. If they want Skype, or webcam sex mark them off as well. I don't respond to one liners either. I responded to everybody with, "Thank You" and if I was interested I would followed it with a letter. This was all when I was tring the internet dating thing last year. I had no luck on there, all loosers, liers, and perverts! Lucky for me guys hit on me in person, and God blessed me with Mike. I am so happy with what I have I cancelled all my accounts. I would say be leary of those dating sites and apps. Let it happen natrually and wait for someone worth it! Good Luck, June
     
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    Oh my. I've given some, um, private pics to some ppl who asked for more pics. I guess this will be the last time!
     
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    Tehehehe.

    Well the thing to remember is you're on there.... there's likely some people like you who aren't into hooking up. But it may be hard to find. I guess you gotta respond to people you find interesting, and their motives should be clear after a few messages...
     
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    I've found decent guys on that app, and made some good friends actually. I'd say go with your gut, I stopped responding to people if things turned sexual in the first few messages or they were persistent after I said I wasn't interested in hooking up. I met my ex on there and he was a decent guy, we just had a bit of a language barrier and communication issues.

    I did find guys on the most popular app to be looking for hook ups much more than guys on other apps.
     
  11. Acobi

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    Yes, once they say "Got any more pics?" or any variation of that line, I never write to them again. Sorry-if my profile picture is not enough to keep you interested than you're not for me!

    Generally you can sort through and find the real genuine guys quickly. If you can hold a conversation without complimenting someone's physical features than it is a start!
     
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    Never had any experience with such apps, but the only way I'd even consider hooking up with someone online is if I had talked with them via messages for like two weeks or more. By then it's fairly obvious someone's interested and you can move on to giving them your cell number so you can text all night and day, then eventually meet up and hope for the best. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    Yes this is quite telling - if appearance is the first thing they go for then they aren't likely to want much beyond that. Of course that is the main purpose of these apps though: picking someone based on appearance to fuck and not having much to do with them after that.

    Which is why if you...

    ..these apps probably aren't the best place to be looking.
    Sure you could get lucky, but you're making it difficult for yourself.
     
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    Well, I am going to swim against the stream ( as usual) .

    These apps are just tools, and whether they are good or bad depends on how you use them.

    Yes, they are primarily, but not exclusively, for people wanting to hook up. This does mean that they need to be used with caution, particularly by people who are perhaps inexperienced and vulnerable. In particular this is relevant to this site as people who are still forming their views of their sexual identity and who are not out, partially out, or newly out would all tend, in my opinion, to be vulnerable to some degree of another.

    However, I have also chatted with and/or met some very nice guys, several of whom I have formed friendships with. Often these have had no sexual content other than some casual verbal flirting.

    If, at some point, an adult takes the conscious decision to try out the apps, they think it through, are very clear in their own minds and in their profiles what they are looking for, and they take appropriate precautions, then these apps can be very useful. The apps generally have a facility to either block or report users who become a nuisance. My own feeling is that it is quite good to start with people who are geographically remote from you so that you can 'test the waters' and to make sure you don't give out personal contact details. If you do agree to meet, do it somewhere publicly rather than at your place or theirs, and make sure that you have informed someone of your plans ( and make a point of telling this to the person who you agree to meet). You ALWAYS have the right to say no, you always have the right to decide 'this isn't working for me'. Agreeing to meet someone does not guarantee them the right to have sex with you. However, it takes a certain level of assertiveness to do this, and if someone is not confident of their ability to resist unwelcome pressure then the apps are probably best either left alone, or used at most for dirty chat without actually meeting up.

    However, while I feel the apps have their uses, I would say that in my opinion there are better tools out there ( depending on your location). Gay sporting/social groups provide an environment where there is a shared interest beyond just sexuality. Of course these are not necessarily available to people in all locations, but where they are available groups such as GLBT choirs/ running groups/hiking groups/sport groups etc, provide what I would consider a more balanced and less vulnerable starting point to meeting people. Nevertheless, I don't think we should just write the apps off as being 'bad'.

    Initially I was a bit frustrated at the rather coy approach this site takes to apps, after all , it is silly to pretend they don't exist. However, on reflection, there are a lot of people on this website who are minors, and a lot of people who are in emotionally vulnerable states. While not every guy out there is a voracious sexual predator the fact is that there are some out there. This site has a responsibility to avoid actively encouraging vulnerable members (particularly younger ones) from utilising these apps, and if that requires some degree of censorship ( as much as I am normally opposed to censorship) so be it.
     
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    Just to comment: EC is a nonprofit organization, soon to be an IRS-recognized educational/community service-based public charity. We're governed by a Board of Directors, and day-to-day operations are overseen by admins and a staff of 25 or so people, all of whom are volunteers. So I'm not sure you can say that we're motivated by self-interest, except to the extent that people who volunteer do so because they derive personal satisfaction from being able to help others.

    You've been repeatedly told that isn't why the rules are there. But at the risk of trying again... we have people as young as 13 on this site. A lot of them, in fact. And people that age have no business knowing about, signing up for, or talking about those sorts of sites or activities. Yes, some will find out about them from other sources. But EC doesn't need to be one of them.

    If you're so interested in talking about topics that EC doesn't permit, then perhaps EC isn't the right community for you. There are plenty of other places where you can talk about hookups, casual sex, share war stories, or whatever your heart's desire may be. But EC isn't one of them, and constantly expressing your discontent isn't going to change that. So it would be really cool if you'd focus your energies on what EC is here for instead of arguing that it should be something it isn't.

    Now... onto the main topic: This, too, has been said ad nauseum in many threads, but perhaps you haven't seen those messages. In short, if you're looking for any sort of meaningful relationships, you are really unlikely to find them by looking on any of the apps, and, realistically, only on one, maybe two, of the dating/relationship sites. Yes, people will argue there are the occasional nice guys on this-or-that hookup site, but those are the needles in a haystack, and you might go through 1000 guys before you find the one that genuinely wants a healthy relationship *and* is healthy enough to be able to sustain one.

    Almost nothing worth having comes easily or effortlessly, and the same is definitely true for relationships. If you want a meaningful, healthy one, you have to do the work, and that starts by making real efforts, not throwing up a profile on hookup or dating apps/sites.
     
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    great thread! having just come out I've checked out some of the sites, put up a profile on one. If this had existed 20-30 years ago I'd have been looking for something different (more casual hookups). Now though I do want friendship and possible relationship, which I've indicated. Wasn't sure how to respond to the messages I've gotten that are just hi, etc. The easy ones are the guys under 35 -- way too young for me. But even with the older guys it's hard to tell. So this discussion has been real useful for me, esp. the meeting in public first etc. Thanks!
     
  17. i dont like your first line lol. dont bash mods/admins they do alot for us you know. im pretty sure its not down to them being paranoid, i think its for safety of younger members aswell because people as young as 13 use this site and some may be naive and be like oooh i can go on xyz site and meet people when they have no idea who they may be meeting/speaking to, not a great idea. also this is meant to be an anon forum so if you mention apps then someone could find you on one and thats against the rules giving public info over the boards...

    responding to people i find it pretty easy to fish out the people i dont want. if people contact you and say spomething instantly about your looks, then they may want sex or it be a way to get you to notice they are interested in you immedietly.

    if someone tries to make generic convo like hey hows you they are probably the ones i would respond to as they are trying to get to know me and hold a conversation lol.
     
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    Or, ya know, it works for the attorneys who offer the solutions for effectively safeguarding vulnerable teens as young as 13, as required by law.

    But yeah, I do agree with you that I do have a bit of a self-interest in enforcing certain safeguarding policies. Having been on the staff team when a (then) 12 year old arranged to meet up with a predator on here who was over 4 times his age, I guess you could say the ramifications of that and the subsequent police action has somewhat given me a conscience for listening to the legal experts who specialise in safeguarding. As EC has members as young as 13 and these apps are designed for adults who are over the age of legal consent, then it seems like a rather obvious safeguard to have certain restrictions in place to ensure that the scope of discussion on these apps isn't just glorification and promotion, but has more of a meaningful basis that the organisation aims to serve, and to be able to do so within the scope of our memberships age range.

    I do, however, admit that I have my own self-interests. I can't imagine too many people would consider me to be a selfish git for enforcing these legal safeguards as a way of also protecting myself from liability? After all, I'm in a career that frequently deals with the risk management and safeguarding of vulnerable groups, so it wouldn't exactly look good on my part if I was then questioned for allowing an organisation to function in a legally-dubious and unethical manner.

    What strikes me as even more bizarre is that simply requiring you to be a bit imaginative in the way you refer to such apps is somehow akin to Stalinist censorship. Surely if we were going to pretend it didn't exist then we'd go a tiny bit further than asking people to be a tad vague when referencing apps for supportive purposes? Like, I can't remember a situation in which Stalin was sending people to the Gulags because they didn't type something in astericks. Furthermore, if we actually did start adopting the Stalinist ideologue on here, I'd imagine one of the first things to go would be the positive connotations attached to non-heterosexual identities. It's been a few years since I learnt about the USSR, but I seem to recall their ideology not being all that inclusive of homosexuality. :slight_smile:
     
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    Who's bashing? As I said I find it quite delightful, charming really. Pretend something doesn't exist, therefore it doesn't exist. I've always wanted to be a sycophant to some sort of comical dictator who dictated his own version of 'reality' over actual reality. It's like Baghdad Bob insisting there were no American troops in Iraq, or Ahmadinejad insisting there are no homosexuals in Iran. And yes there is certainly a streak of dark humour underlying Stalinism. Am I the only one who sees the absurdist humor in these things?

    But I suppose, if the admins are so upset by my commentary, then I'll probably be banned from EC soon. (Or perhaps, to be 'disappeared' is the more appropriate diction here! :eek:slight_smile:


    In any event, while I'm still here, back on topic... I blacked out last night in the middle of a convo with this army guy. He looks about 40, not really my type, not sure why I responded to him. When I'm drunk I respond to everyone, yet when I'm sober I find myself unwilling to respond to anyone. Somehow I need to find a balance, to discern which guys are looking for the same things I am looking for, and not just looking for a sexual hook-up.

    While I don't like the idea of having to use the apps, I'm not sure how else you are supposed to meet guys, since such a small percentage of the population is gay/bi, and it's not possible to tell who is just walking down the street. For four years of high school, an all-boys high school, I didn't know of one out gay person. For four years of college, I knew of only 2 gay guys. It's not as easy as with straight people where a guy who has a crush on a girl can have a reasonable expectation that she will be straight and attracted back to him. If not for apps and dating sites, how do people find significant others?
     
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    Well, the usual advice here is to join some LGBT social group. The idea is that you'll meet other gay men. From there, one could build a relationship that is based on something other than just a fast hookup.

    Problem can be finding such groups. If one lives in a city like New York or San Francisco, there are probably many, many, many options. Other places aren't so great. My area has a population of more than a million between 2 counties. I ran a search for LGBT groups on a certain web site that allows one to find local social groups of all kinds, and the only groups I found are for lesbians. Discouraging to say the least. Frankly, there are times I've wondered if there won't come a point where I crack and try those apps... Fortunately, I don't have a smart phone, so that adds a level of cost and hassle, which will make me think more than once about that decision.

    In the end, it seems like it must be possible to meet other gay men. Gay men have been doing it for a long time, much, much longer than we've had cell phones with dating apps.