The Debate on God

I think this world is too spectacular for one Man/thing to have miraculously created.
We humans are no different than any other organism on earth, except that we're dominant. We shouldn't have anything more special that everything else.

Also - There are so many different claims to who/what made the earth, the credibility is gone for me.

 

Personally im agnostic.Im not sure if god exists,and if god exists its something completely different from what religion want us to believe.I believe in science.Also i believe that there is after life,but not in heaven or hell.I believe that humans have energy inside them that does not disappear when we die,but its stored somewhere in the universe.Thats all i believe.

 

Atheist here. Why? Well, it's pretty simple for me, I have never seen any compelling evidence for the existence of god(s).

 

I am a bobbyist personally I believe that this is realm zero, the realm where our essences are born. We must go through trial in this realm for us to be able to maturely handle the awesome fun of the other realms. We all become gods, of a sort, being able to traverse realm to realm on a whim as immortals. It's a nice religon.

 

Well my main reason for not believing in God is that I would like to think that an all powerful being wouldn't put a male such as myself into the body of a female. I would like to think that if there was a God, maybe I wouldn't draw demented things at night out of confusion. I would like to think a God wouldn't allow me to try to beat the desire to be male out of myself with a wrench for three years of my life. I would like to believe that my situation has nothing to do with being at the mercy of some all powerful being, but instead some where along the lines wires were crossed and snipped...and that is my cross to bare. Life is what you make it.

 

When I was 21 I died for 3 min and I floated away in the sky to a place with men in suits and was huvering above them when a tugging feeling from my mid back pulled me and slammed me back into my body. I woke up with mom histericle while I was being worked on. She later told me I died for 3 min. The year leading up to that event I dreamed of dying in the same dream over and over like to prepair me for what was comming. I have always had the most accurate woman's intuition almost esp. It is a curse really because some things are best unknown. I also visited the heavens last November, but was sent back. I will always beleve for Mike. It is up to him what he does with me, but God sent me back twice from death and by all rites I have had 5 close calls in the last year or so that I walked away without a scratch. So my job here is not done. I know God is real and the afterlife is real, because I have been there twise. God has been good to me and answeres my prayers so nobody will convince me otherwise! June

Oh as far as the mistake with my body, he has made up for it by making me desirable to men. The gay ones may not want me but the rest seem to see June and want her, not John the mistake. For June is a sexy desireable woman irresistable to men! For those who fight who they are, you only hold yourself back not God! Enbrase who you are, walk with Him, trust Him, and be the best you can be, and He will send you what you need! Man, woman, or anything! June

 

There is,the need of living,the need of the idea that its not just a flash and we die,and then there is nothing.Just that,it may sound stupid,but i dont have any other reasons.

 

Why shouldn't we believe in something? I mean whether you believe there is a God or an afterlife or not it's your personal belief. Personally I believe all religions and philosophies hold truth, but it's those beliefs that shape our afterlife. We know that there are several dimensions and planes of existence that we can't see, so I don't think it's entirely inconceivable that our lifeforce, soul, energy, whatever you want to call it is incapable cycling through these multiple planes of existence and we have absolutely no idea what lies there because we can't see it and I don't believe we'll ever be able to see it. We know that when a person dies there is a lot of energy released from the body and especially the brain and energy doesn't just go away. It may be nothing and at the same time that is the energy of our bodies so it could very well be the physical incarnation of the soul. I don't know if it's possible but isn't at least plausible that energy could travel between planes? There could be an infinite number and could all accommodate a persons specific belief system. We just don't know and I doubt we ever will, but too many people see it in black and white, one's right, one's wrong, this is how it is and it will not deviate from this path, but I really don't think it's that linear. I think we have to think about the shades of gray in between. It's really possible that anything could happen and maybe it just depends on the person and what they believe where this energy goes when we die, or maybe it's all just random chance. Either way I think it's all pretty amazing to think about.

 

I have no clue what to believe, but if there is a God, I think he would be loving and caring, and as long as you did the same, you're cool with him.

 

Ah yes, the great debate of God; I believe the subject will go on forever.

Personally, I am an atheist, yet might hold some belief in life after death. My belief is derived from my feeling of not needing a god in my life to live fully and happily, and ultimately the complete blasphemy that I find in readings/stories like the Bible. Also, that I will not spend my whole life worrying about pleasing a "god" that may or may not exist.

On an entirely different subject I hold an opinion that religion itself is just something that isn't right for me. Too much violence is caused because of religion (there's many other ways to start violence though, too, I understand that) and I don't see much good that comes from it. But hey, if someone believes in a god or feels like they need a god or religion in their life I don't feel the need to discriminate, either.

 

Yup. People have bizarre dreams nightly, but if someone claimed that (for example) unicorns are real because they saw one in their dream, they wouldn't be taken seriously at all. I don't see why dreams when you are near-death should be treated any differently.

 

Since they are my experences, I am the only one who knows for sure. I was only giving my opinion of what I feel to be fact. The knowing things part I feel is my guardian angel wispering in my ear. I should have clairafied that. It so far has been 100% right every time and quite often I avoid desaster when I heed the warning. Example;

1989 summer, While driving up to a red traffic light in the left lane which was the lane I needed to be in BTW a voice screamed "Get into the right lane NOW" and I did. I waited for green and a van pulled where I should have been. The light turned green and as we pulled into the intersection a large 1970's Chrysler driven by a drunk T-boned the van in the drivers door totalling it and me in the right lane barely missed the van comming sideways into me by inches because I floored the Buick's 430V-8 engine to get in front of the van to get back into the lane I needed to be in. Had I been into the left lane, I would have died. The van was high enough off the ground and the driver lived. The drunk hit the van in excess of 60mph pushing them both across my lane into the ditch. The drunk was driving without a licence or insurance and with her 3 kids in that car. I was alone in my car and the radio did not work in that 1969 Buick. I was so freaked my mom had to come drive me home from that experence.

As far as answered prayers, mine are answered with amazing speed and accuracy. Example verifiable by my sister a agnostic who witnessed it. I needed a car to get me by for a couple months so my sister drove me around one weekend and I brought $5,000 to buy one. This one happened in early 2004. By Sunday we were on day 3 and finding nothing. So as we were driving it hit me that I had not prayed and she rolled her eyes! So I did something out of chericter and prayed out loud. I asked for a white Buick with a blue interior that would get decent gas mileage with low mileage and cold A/C well below my price range that would be reliable and meet my needs. In less than a mile! was my prayers answer! It was a 1984 Biuck Regal white with a blue interior V6 engine cold air owned by a 93yo woman the original owner garage kept with 20 thousand miles original for $800 that had been just put out with the for sale sign that moment as we were driving by and the car was brand new still though it was 20 years old!!! Now what are the chances of that????? I had $5,000 cash to spend! It was a great car that when I got my new one I gave it to my mom who fell in love with it's classic style and she drove it for years untill my step father wrecked it. It made my atheist sister become a agnostic! Some progress I guess, but she could not beleve it! My prayer was answered within 5 min. and it was every thing I asked for and what are the chances of that just happening? You will never convence me it was other than God answering my prayers! I could list 1000nds of answeres prayers over the years because God is always faithfull! June

 

You're right it does pay to be skeptical. I'm simply stating personal beliefs not trying to sway anyone else to believe them. In essence though there is nothing wrong with believing in something. Obviously society has made it out to be bad to believe the "wrong" thing and in the past (and present for that matter) religion has caused terrible acts to be committed, but those are human flaws. Believing in something doesn't kill others it's the people that go to the extremes because they believe it. There could be no truth at all in it, but books like the Bible and Qur'an are here as a means to help people live their lives for good and set a moral code. It becomes bad when people take things from it like "it's their duty to spread Christianity" too far and force others to believe it. I just don't think there's a wrong religion. It's all opinion based.

 

God doesn't exist, but even if it did exist in the Judeo-Christian form, that monster would not be worthy of worship. The sooner people can start evolving beyond this "god" shit and start focusing on making life better for people here on earth, the sooner we can see a better world start to take shape.

 

Han Solo: "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny."

Yes, I've been to several countries and continents, and I guess even observing those places never got me to "there is a god"

Most, if not all of the stuff that happen nowadays have perfectly scientific reasons for what happened, even biblical ones. I'll give an example: Sodom and Gomorrah.

Sodom and Gomorrah were built on the Saudi-Arabian Fault, about a mile or so away from the extremely active Volcano Santorini that resides on the coast of the Dead Sea. That would explain the "Fire and brimstone" which, as we all know is volcanic sulfuric rock. The fact that the cities were also just outside of the volcano would also explain why they were destroyed within hours.

I'm much more inclined to believe the cities were destroyed by a volcano than "God did it"

That being said, I'd think it's arrogant to think that there is no god at all, and stick to that forever. For all we know, there could be a god working within the fabric of spacetime that we probably have never heard about or seen from. My guess is that if there is a god, then the god that has been portrayed in any religion that we know of today is probably not the god that exists.

Now even with that being said, there could be a possibility that the Judeo-Christian god is real. There could be a possibility that the Greek gods are real. There could even be a possibility that Homestuck may be more accurate than it seems, and that our universe is actually a frog, and that it was created by an alien race playing the same game that created their universe.

Science has found more evidence than any religion, and that is what people nowadays are looking at, believing in and following. And logically, that's understandable. But on the flipside, anybody could be wrong.

So where do I stand? Wherever the hell things are. If there's a god, then cool. If there isn't a god, then that's fine as well.