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neverover · 18th Apr 2008, 02:11 AM

in this context, i mean gay male, cause lesbians duo, such as t.A.T.u, most likely to be called 'hot' by straight dudes, which kinda help album sales. not to mention that lesbians is more likely to be approved by society.
and i mean a new artist, not an already steady fan base singer such as elthon or michael.
i personally think, if the music is good, it doesnt matter if hes gay or not. what do u think?

18th Apr 2008, 02:26 AM

Well if the music's good and he's not constantly reminding the press of his sexuallity, sure why not?

18th Apr 2008, 03:25 AM

Sure thing, just as long their sexuality isn't used as an excuse for things then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

damagedone · 18th Apr 2008, 03:40 AM

well, the world does have a few openly gay male singers, elton john for instance. However, if you're talking about openly gay singers/musicians with credibility then i'm not sure. There are alot of great punk/queercore groups around with open and honest band members.
You're right though, groups like t.a.t.u. which presented a fetishised version of gay lifestyle and sexuality from a lesbian perspective are easier to sell (at least to the straight male market). This is not a general rule though as if you take away the skimpy clothes and give them a more dowdy appearance people stop listening, half the time its just image.

RFB

18th Apr 2008, 03:53 AM

Well I might be the first openly gay guy in a death metal band...

Psychedelic Bookmarks · 18th Apr 2008, 03:58 AM

Well, there's Will Smith who was a recent new singer in the UK who's gay. I think he crashed a burned, but that was because he sucked, not because he was gay.

And tatu aren't lesbians. That whole "lesbians are more accepted by society" is getting a bit old. So tatu got ogled and jeered at by straight guys, instead of getting beaten up and jeered at like a gay male group would. Hooray! ...? Gay men and lesbians to some extent face different obstacles and prejudices from society. But just saying that lesbians get an easy deal is over-simplified imho.

damagedone · 18th Apr 2008, 04:27 AM

I had forgotten that the girls from tatu were in fact straight but i only serves to back my point that fetishised lesbianism sells better than queer males. Will Young the openly gay pop-star over here in the U.K. did have a career and was out was quite apolgetic with it, he made one campy video and then declared that he still could be with women. He was a publicity whore and when the gay thing didnt really sell well enough he tried bisexuality, at least that's what I think his reasoning for it was.

There is, if you're interested face smasher, a gay fantasy metal/hardcore group named assacre out there you might wanna check them out.http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendID=2788069

There is alot of homophobia directed towards gay men and women in the band setting (as opposed to pop-stars). If any of you are interested in what was called the queercore/homocore scene there are loads of groups around who championed the position of gay rights and stereotyping within the alternative music scene.

check out; fifth column, los crudos, behead the prophet, team dresch, the dead betties, triple creme, extra fancy, the butchies, pansy division, three dollar bill, gina young, iamloved, tribe 8, Tough Tough Skin, pariah piranha, davies vs. dresch, nomy lamm, the need, sta-prest, cypher in the snow.....

RFB

18th Apr 2008, 05:51 AM

will young??/

i know hes not exactly recent :|

CrimsonThunder · 18th Apr 2008, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Face Smasher

Well I might be the first openly gay guy in a death metal band...

Highly doubtful lol.

As already pointed out there are lots of gay singers, the one from Wham comes to mind. ;P And Tatu arent lesbians. XD

Thers that "what what in the butt" guy. He phails just for being too gay.

Rette · 18th Apr 2008, 07:33 AM

Gay singer with credibility? Try Owen Pallett, aka Final Fantasy. Although I'm willing to bet he's unheard of overseas, he's done a LOT of work in the indie music scene, especially in Canada (just check his Wikipedia), and has a successful solo career. Plus, his stuff is just good.

panda · 18th Apr 2008, 08:40 AM

Freddy Mercury

sexyalex · 18th Apr 2008, 09:51 AM

i know many already

total mo · 18th Apr 2008, 10:28 AM

I would love to see a hollywood type gay celebrity who has always been gay, not like lanc bass, or ryan seacrest.

damagedone · 18th Apr 2008, 11:14 AM

Sorry, I should probably clarify what I meant by credible. While I believe that open gay men such as Mercury were credible as artists or worthy of note in both the artistic and social forums, I discount the contributions of performers such as Will Young and TATU. Firstly, TATU were a media stunt, we all know this. Their emergence and success was based primarily on the gimmick of lesbian sexuality, and Will Young is apologetic with his often discounting it by referring to himself as being open to sex with women. This does not mean that I in some way disbelieve his homosexuality or bisexuality. I do feel that, that statement in particular was part of a marketing ploy as it came at low point in his career. It didnt work of course and now he has no career lol.
When I refer to the dead betties or team dresch as being credible musicians/artists. What I mean is that not only have they been openly queer but they have also avoided alot of the cultural trappings of what it means to be gay in a modern sense. Partly this is due to their involvement within such musical subcultures as punk which has been less than accepting of gay lifestyles.

total mo · 18th Apr 2008, 03:34 PM

we wouldve had a gay singer if the gay american idol wasnt cut out. i forgot his name.

18th Apr 2008, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arneneithel

Well, there's Will Smith who was a recent new singer in the UK who's gay. I think he crashed a burned, but that was because he sucked, not because he was gay.

And tatu aren't lesbians. That whole "lesbians are more accepted by society" is getting a bit old. So tatu got ogled and jeered at by straight guys, instead of getting beaten up and jeered at like a gay male group would. Hooray! ...? Gay men and lesbians to some extent face different obstacles and prejudices from society. But just saying that lesbians get an easy deal is over-simplified imho.

will smith??? u mean will young?? lol

neverover · 18th Apr 2008, 05:43 PM

well, i actually mean the mainstream major label artist. and i mean in hollywood...
and yes, tatu arent lesbian, but when they first came to the music industry, they make a blast. i think tatu is one of the biggest one hit wonder ever (yes, they made few albums later, but its not as booming as their debut)

crimsonarcher · 18th Apr 2008, 10:22 PM

I know that a member of the famous-wide known Mexican band RBD that is both gay and male.

SamAlex728 · 18th Apr 2008, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panda

Freddy Mercury

HELLS YEAH!
i luv queen

wait was he openly gay? as far as i know he wasnt openly gay for quite a while
anyways, YES

RENThead · 19th Apr 2008, 01:48 AM

i read this and thought anthony callea...

though i wouldnt call him credibal..
his fan base is idol fans, and young girls. but he will get old soon.

18th Apr 2008, 02:11 AM	#1
neverover I Got Your Display of Affection Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: I Kiss Men With Lust Out Status: I'm Afraid If I Tell You I Have to Kill You Location: jakarta, indonesia Age: 21 Posts: 829 Join Date: Sep 2007	is the world ready for openly gay singer? in this context, i mean gay male, cause lesbians duo, such as t.A.T.u, most likely to be called 'hot' by straight dudes, which kinda help album sales. not to mention that lesbians is more likely to be approved by society. and i mean a new artist, not an already steady fan base singer such as elthon or michael. i personally think, if the music is good, it doesnt matter if hes gay or not. what do u think? __________________ I have met myself. He is quite a gentleman. But I'm too scared to get to know him. Nah, maybe we should just forget about this. You know what? I wanna do another quantum leap. After all, we're just molecules that can talk.

18th Apr 2008, 02:26 AM	#2
Ty Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? Well if the music's good and he's not constantly reminding the press of his sexuallity, sure why not?

18th Apr 2008, 03:25 AM	#3
Starlight Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? Sure thing, just as long their sexuality isn't used as an excuse for things then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

18th Apr 2008, 03:40 AM	#4
damagedone Member Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Bath Age: 25 Posts: 31 Join Date: Apr 2008	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? well, the world does have a few openly gay male singers, elton john for instance. However, if you're talking about openly gay singers/musicians with credibility then i'm not sure. There are alot of great punk/queercore groups around with open and honest band members. You're right though, groups like t.a.t.u. which presented a fetishised version of gay lifestyle and sexuality from a lesbian perspective are easier to sell (at least to the straight male market). This is not a general rule though as if you take away the skimpy clothes and give them a more dowdy appearance people stop listening, half the time its just image. RFB

18th Apr 2008, 03:53 AM	#5
STK Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? Well I might be the first openly gay guy in a death metal band...

18th Apr 2008, 03:58 AM	#6
Psychedelic Bookmarks Helena Full Member Gender: Female Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: Close family and quite a few friends Location: UK Age: 18 Posts: 2,195 Join Date: Oct 2007	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? Well, there's Will Smith who was a recent new singer in the UK who's gay. I think he crashed a burned, but that was because he sucked, not because he was gay. And tatu aren't lesbians. That whole "lesbians are more accepted by society" is getting a bit old. So tatu got ogled and jeered at by straight guys, instead of getting beaten up and jeered at like a gay male group would. Hooray! ...? Gay men and lesbians to some extent face different obstacles and prejudices from society. But just saying that lesbians get an easy deal is over-simplified imho. __________________ "I refuse to recognize the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just sexual, the prefix is immaterial." (Morissey)

18th Apr 2008, 04:27 AM	#7
damagedone Member Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Bath Age: 25 Posts: 31 Join Date: Apr 2008	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? I had forgotten that the girls from tatu were in fact straight but i only serves to back my point that fetishised lesbianism sells better than queer males. Will Young the openly gay pop-star over here in the U.K. did have a career and was out was quite apolgetic with it, he made one campy video and then declared that he still could be with women. He was a publicity whore and when the gay thing didnt really sell well enough he tried bisexuality, at least that's what I think his reasoning for it was. There is, if you're interested face smasher, a gay fantasy metal/hardcore group named assacre out there you might wanna check them out.http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendID=2788069 There is alot of homophobia directed towards gay men and women in the band setting (as opposed to pop-stars). If any of you are interested in what was called the queercore/homocore scene there are loads of groups around who championed the position of gay rights and stereotyping within the alternative music scene. check out; fifth column, los crudos, behead the prophet, team dresch, the dead betties, triple creme, extra fancy, the butchies, pansy division, three dollar bill, gina young, iamloved, tribe 8, Tough Tough Skin, pariah piranha, davies vs. dresch, nomy lamm, the need, sta-prest, cypher in the snow..... RFB

18th Apr 2008, 05:51 AM	#8
Leigh Guest Posts: n/a	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? will young??/ i know hes not exactly recent :\|

18th Apr 2008, 07:33 AM	#10
Rette Without me, it's just aweso Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: A few people Location: Calgary Age: 25 Posts: 739 Join Date: Jun 2007	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? Gay singer with credibility? Try Owen Pallett, aka Final Fantasy. Although I'm willing to bet he's unheard of overseas, he's done a LOT of work in the indie music scene, especially in Canada (just check his Wikipedia), and has a successful solo career. Plus, his stuff is just good.

18th Apr 2008, 08:40 AM	#11
panda EC Addict Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: Bisexual Out Status: A few people Location: Toronto,Canada Age: 67 Posts: 4,653 Join Date: Aug 2007	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? Freddy Mercury

18th Apr 2008, 09:51 AM	#12
sexyalex Fame Monster copy No.2 Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: attracted to anyone sexy Out Status: only my friends know. Location: Kingston Age: 20 Posts: 1,410 Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? i know many already __________________ I know that we are young and I know that you may love me, but I just can't be with you like this anymore. Alejandro.

18th Apr 2008, 10:28 AM	#13
total mo Banned Gender: Likes penis Orientation: Gay duh! Out Status: The world knows Location: Gaytopia Posts: 832 Join Date: Aug 2007	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? I would love to see a hollywood type gay celebrity who has always been gay, not like lanc bass, or ryan seacrest.

18th Apr 2008, 11:14 AM	#14
damagedone Member Regular Member Gender: Male Orientation: Gay Out Status: Out to everyone Location: Bath Age: 25 Posts: 31 Join Date: Apr 2008	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? Sorry, I should probably clarify what I meant by credible. While I believe that open gay men such as Mercury were credible as artists or worthy of note in both the artistic and social forums, I discount the contributions of performers such as Will Young and TATU. Firstly, TATU were a media stunt, we all know this. Their emergence and success was based primarily on the gimmick of lesbian sexuality, and Will Young is apologetic with his often discounting it by referring to himself as being open to sex with women. This does not mean that I in some way disbelieve his homosexuality or bisexuality. I do feel that, that statement in particular was part of a marketing ploy as it came at low point in his career. It didnt work of course and now he has no career lol. When I refer to the dead betties or team dresch as being credible musicians/artists. What I mean is that not only have they been openly queer but they have also avoided alot of the cultural trappings of what it means to be gay in a modern sense. Partly this is due to their involvement within such musical subcultures as punk which has been less than accepting of gay lifestyles.

18th Apr 2008, 03:34 PM	#15
total mo Banned Gender: Likes penis Orientation: Gay duh! Out Status: The world knows Location: Gaytopia Posts: 832 Join Date: Aug 2007	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? we wouldve had a gay singer if the gay american idol wasnt cut out. i forgot his name.

18th Apr 2008, 05:43 PM	#17
neverover I Got Your Display of Affection Full Member Gender: Male Orientation: I Kiss Men With Lust Out Status: I'm Afraid If I Tell You I Have to Kill You Location: jakarta, indonesia Age: 21 Posts: 829 Join Date: Sep 2007	Re: is the world ready for openly gay singer? well, i actually mean the mainstream major label artist. and i mean in hollywood... and yes, tatu arent lesbian, but when they first came to the music industry, they make a blast. i think tatu is one of the biggest one hit wonder ever (yes, they made few albums later, but its not as booming as their debut) __________________ I have met myself. He is quite a gentleman. But I'm too scared to get to know him. Nah, maybe we should just forget about this. You know what? I wanna do another quantum leap. After all, we're just molecules that can talk.

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