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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Sage, Jun 27, 2013.

  1. Sage

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    So, I plan on getting some estrogen pills prescribed pretty soon and I was just wondering what experiences any of you had while on them (if you took them for MtF transgender change). I've kind of mentally prepared myself for the effects (or so I'd like to think). Are there any effects that really stood out and became evident? Like did your voice change a lot, were you a lot more moody, etc....

    I wouldn't doubt that it varies for everyone, but I'm curious to know what your experience was :slight_smile:

    Please and thank you!


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  2. StefaniW

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    I have been on HRT for two months (contrary to what my stupid ticker says, it doesn't update, deerp) and I have noticed:

    Breast growth. It starts out subtle but for me it started getting interesting around one month. I am still like reaally small (32 AA, lolz) but things are still growing. Right now there is a hard approx golf ball sized lump behind each nipple. It isn't quuite painful but if I do something to bump it, yes, there is pain. Oooh, I also lactated (or produced colostrum) for a bit, soo, yeah, lolz, tmi...

    Body hair reduction. I really can't attest to this as well as some cuz I had like very, very feminine body hair already. ZERO on my torso practically. And it was mostly quite thin and quite fine. That being said, recently I have noticed even THAT diminish and many hairs that are left are coming in extremely slowly and totally translucent.

    Skin softening. Juuust starting to notice this which is fun. I mean my skin was preeetty soft before but still. Right now the biggest place is my left upper arm. I noticed it there and then it was weird. I looked it up and it was like that's where it starts with EVERYONE. Particularly the left one too. Weeeird! It's spreading though it seems, but it is still patchy (some areas waaay soft, others not so soft).

    This is something I don't like to talk about as it is dysphoria triggering but will mention briefly: everything that started out very small is so small it's bordering on ambiguous now and whatever functionality it had before (not a whole lot) is almost gone and experiments conclusively show that it is now producing almost NOTHING (errrggh....I feel gross now).

    Face is getting rounder according not only to myself but to others around me. My mother keeps talking about how full my cheeks are getting and says my jaw is getting a bit softer (from fat going there) which is pretty keeewl.

    Can't say that I've noticed any fat redistribution in my body. Hmm, I dunno, maybe a little in the patooty? That could be from gaining weight, so not sure. I don't have much to move around though (I am veeerry thin).

    I absolutely can NOT speak to loss of muscle mass cuz I had none before. Like ZERO. But if I WERE to lose any that would not happen for a while, soo.

    That is about it so far in terms of physical effects. Hopefully things will start getting REAAL interesting in the next few months. Here are some pix of me from my album so you can see what I look like on HRT:

    http://emptyclosets.com/forum/members/30562-albums4876.html

    Also, the emotional effect that was most noticable was from placebo and that was instantaneous: mind numbing joy to finally be on this path! I literally jumped up and down, lolz! This intensifies as the hormones start to take effect and has left me feeling happy for no reason sometimes, but also extremely irritable and caaraabby others. The moodiness is a biatch. Sometimes I get down (not even close to as much as before) but that is from dysphoria not the pills (sometimes I really get down that things aren't happening at the speed I want them to, but a BIG thing to remember is these things take time).

    Also, you can expect a DEFINITE change in your appetite. I eat thousands and thousands of calories some days and STILL feel hungry when I go to bed. I topped myself at 4,300 one day O.O It's sorta crazy! And tiredness, but this is wearing off for me.

    Other than that, that's about it. I know there are other transgirls on here deeper in then me, so hopefully they chime in. Also, my dosages are:

    4mg/d Estrofem, 200mg/d Spironolactone.

    Anyway, best of luuuck! <3<3 XOXO, and all that nice SHTUFF.

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    Wowzie, wowzers. That was long.

    ^Big. fucking. BABBLE mouth.

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    I am sorry, I know I have talked enough but I just need to add oooone more thing, cuz writing all this made me think. Transition really is a beautiful journey. I know that for myself I am very often of cisgirls cuz I feel like they have so much I can't ever have (like getting pregnant, that's something I wish I could do, but of course there are sterile women) and how lucky they were to be born with the right parts, but now that I think, there is also something to be said for this experience and it is something cisgirls can never know.

    It's transformative. It is like starting out as a catepillar and turning into a butterfly, and I see sooo many beautiful, smart, funny transwomen who that analogy is soo true of. It really is truly amazing to start out as one person who everyone thinks you are, and then to begin this journey and slowly, slowly become the person you were always meant to be. It is beautiful because it is the greatest change a person can undergo, and change is always beautiful (and like all changes, bittersweet).

    I feel as though I am changing in my view of being transgender. I always saw it as something unfortunate, and often wished I was born with all the right parts like cisgirls. But now I see it as somewhat of a journey, a spiritual journey, and even though I am early on in mine and still have a looong way to go and a lot of work to do, I can appreciate that perspective now. I am sooo looking forward to what the future has in store, and excited to become who I have always been inside.

    Anyway, I just wanted to share that, cuz it was on my mind and I wanted to get it out <3
     
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  3. Sage

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    I can't thank you enough for taking the time to post all of that. I know it may sound cliche or exaggerated a bit, but I have the same thoughts as you. I felt like I was reading a post from my future self. Thank you sooOO much! Every bit you mentioned, I have given thought about and I stand where you stand with it too! The only thing I am more curious about though is the part you were censoring yourself from.

    I'm sure it's the same thing, more towards the..south. That is the only thing the very least deterring. My question to you is: Have you lost your libido completely? Or is it just on a less frequent basis? Please, if it's not too uncomfortable to you, elaborate! I want to know so much from you seeing as how we share so much in terms of view points.



    I am a very spiritual person and have come to terms with the fact that this is a part of my life journey and is a necessary part in order for me to move on. It calls to me. I believe that a display of outward kindness and forgiveness not only helps others, but promotes a healthy mind, positive thoughts and overall a strong connection with ones self. Sorry, I don't want to try and sound like a hippie or anything, but I have never been so sure about something in my life; I want to know everything there is to know, all of your thoughts and experiences.
     
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  4. StefaniW

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    Sage, I do that ALL the time. Some transgirl will say something and I'll be all like "Hey, stop, that's exactly how I feel, quit stealing my emotions!". I think it is just such a common experience we all share.

    And, umm, okay, so lemme first say I get reaaally dysphoric about that topic that I can hardly talk about it, I am like soooo awkward about it and if you know me then you know I am not awkward about anything, just the opposite (grrr I really can't wait for SRS). But I would say no, I haven't lost my libido. I haven't really noticed a change at all actually. I have always had I believe a more female like libido cuz I always said I dominated my libido, it didn't dominate me. Like, it was never easy to get me turned on and that hasn't changed. I like guys, really, I think they are quite lovely but I never had a problem with being turned on against my will, not EVER. And sex? I guess it was just never really important to me, really, at all.

    That being said....orgasms are better. I really can't explain it but they are better and seem to last longer, mebbe? I dunno. I don't really know how or why but it is. And it's nice cuz I don't really require...ahem....blood flow, deerp, if you know what I mean to orgasm (I didn't before HRT actually but it feels more natural now) and that is now actually quite painful and uncomfortable if it happens (not very often and doesn't, deeerp, go very far if you catch). It's also nice that there aren't any....ewww....you know, grr, fluids, no more of that.

    Omg, feeling dysphoric now XD I apologize for my awkwardness, I just....grrr, really can't wait for SRS XD

    I am glad you have that perspective. I have found it's a much lovlier way to view transition. I am an atheist, but I am also very spiritual, and I believe this has only deepened that inner spirituality. It is a very amazing experience, and even though I still have my days where I just plain wish I was a cisgirl, I am learning to love the life I have been given <3
     
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    Thanks for that! Unfortunately, I can tell already that your libido is a lot more.. tame than mine? I.. am kind of a...deviant... in that regard. So again, I wouldn't doubt that that aspect will differ greatly from you to I. I am elated however to know that aside from that, our emotional responses should be the same.

    Again, another factor that greatly separates you and myself is that the way you described, you seem to have started kind of feminine and you do look beautiful might I add! I however, grew up fat my whole life (that's not me being mean, I was 300lbs at my peak!). I'm still too big for my liking (215 and dropping since the past 2 years.) but I have confidence that through a combination of diet pills, the placebo effect, my eating habits and exercise that I will; for the most part, turn out mostly how I want. With the exception of my somewhat broad-shoulders (my ginormous head makes a good ratio), and my larger rib cage, but yet again I believe that can change with the proper chest to fill it out :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:.

    I meet with my doctor in 18 days so I'm very hopeful that I can get them prescribed.
     
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    My libido is veeerry tame, lolz. I can go for weeks, months even, lolz XD

    And thank you, you are very kind XD <3 also, I wouldn't worry tooo much about being a little overweight, cuz a LOT of this is about fat, so if you have some to work with it def helps (like boobs, they're just fat, that's what they are). I will say though, after being on E for a little while, it will make it harder to lose weight and easier to gain. I know that sucks, but that's just the breaks when it comes to bein' a girl XD

    But yeah HRT will change juuust about everything and if you start young (how old are you btw?) you can generally expect good results <3

    And I hope everything goes well! It usually takes a good few months evaluation before you get a prescription, but just be patient (I know it's hard). And be patient on the HRT, as well (again, I know it's hard but you probably won't start seeing yourself until like month 4 or so, and not reaaallly until about a year).
     
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    I'm 19 by the way, soooooo pretty close to your age though I'm not sure how long ago you started E. But yeah, I know about the whole fat thing, it's just that I'm not sure when I should start E and what weight I want to get to. I know I have some muscle so I don't know how I should take that into account in terms of whether or not that will convert to fat or just burn off. I have been told I have very feminine legs so that's always a plus!
     
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    It is good you are starting young and i think you will have reaaally nice results then <3 and i have been on hormones for about 2 months which isn't that long.

    as for what weight you want to get to that is totally up to you. 215 could be totally fine depending on your height and no harm in a little extra :wink:

    also, like i said it will probably be a few months evaluation before your doctor writes the recommendation to the endo, but after he or she does that when you start is up to you. you want to stop the damage testosterone is doing as soon as you can, so i would say at least try to get on an anti-androgen asap.

    also, yes you will lose weight from muscle loss but that can take a longer amount of time to start happening.
     
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    I'm 6'2'', so unfortunately pretty tall for a soon-to-be girl :frowning2:. I already got my referral to my endocrinologist so it's just a matter of getting their approval and then getting the prescription! If I don't get the pills though, I will definitely get some anti-androgen's.

    I can take a few pictures of myself if you want, though hardly any of them are below the neck because they're all selfies on my laptop.. I can try to get some though if you'd like to give your opinion!! :slight_smile:
     
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    Well you need a prescription for the anti-androgens as well but glad you got your referral and hopefully you can get started reaaal soon <3

    and 6'2 is tall but not unnaturally so. i am just about 6 ft so i am pretty tall as well but most guys who i have talked to so far find that quite sexy :wink: i also know a couple ciswomen who are a good bit taller than me so they must be about your height (also alec baldwin's daughter is 6'2 like you and shes a model).

    But yes! I would love to see photographs if you care to put some in your album <3
     
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    okayyyyyyy i uploaded a feww.... they're really embarrassinggg :x. I know, it's not 'bad' to be a 6'2'', but I always liked the idea of having a taller boyfriend. Personally I feel that I should lose another 20lbs so that I can be around 200 flat.

    I don't even know fajslekjralkjlaer :S
     
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    Hi i don't see them. Could you post the link? Maybe they weren't moderated yet..
     
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    Omg you look great! you are already quite feminine. you will pass just fine i think!
     
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    Thanks! I personally don't think so and feel really block-shaped. I expect that to change thoughhhhh :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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    I think you are fine but, even though bone structure won't change, fat will redistribute making your form more feminine looking.
     
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    I like your new pic :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: You look beautiful!
     
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    Omg thanks! You are too sweet <3 how is everything going?
     
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    Things are going good, I have the weekend off so I'll be visiting this site a bit along with hanging out with some friends. I plan on actually getting a phone soon (Yes, I STILL don't have a cell phone at age 19, hard to believe!!) hopefully by the end of the weekend.

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    Haha thanks, it means a lot! Though honestly I was just trying to hide my face from the camera :rolle:.