It the UK, the only politician in favour of bringing gay marriage to a possibility is David Cameron, who happens to be the Prime Minister. But all of the other politicians are against it, and just because he's the Prime Minister, it doesn't mean that he can control everything. But what is their problem? I mean, what's so wrong in two men or two ladies getting married and declaring their love for one another just like a heterosexual couples would?
i really don't know either, it seems the anti-gay marriage argument is the most invalid i've ever heard, so many stupid words thrown together. there are many politicians aside from mr cameron who favour gay marriage, worry not, there is hope. unfortunately the UK is not a secular state, i believe it is the church of england which is preventing legalisation of gay marriage. in secularist societies, like that of the netherlands, this is often not the case. ride:
Incorrect. Nick Clegg and Ed Milliband are also in favour, as are the vast majority of the labour and lib dem MPs. Its just some of the tories who are against, a majority IIRC and of course ukip. @Moskva, the church of england conceded defeat. The aren't opposing it anymore, and it will go through.
Not true. The same sex couples marriage bill is being slowly, but surely, passed in to law. The main opposition it has received is, in fact, from a sizeable chunk of David Camerons own parliamentary party (Conservative Party). FROM WIKIPEDIA (Same-sex marriage in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia): "On 24 January 2013, the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill was introduced to the Commons by Maria Miller, and a full debate occurred at the Second Reading on 5 February... On 5 February 2013, the bill passed its second reading in the House of Commons by 400 votes to 175... The third reading took place on 21 May, and was approved by 366 votes to 161, with the bill receiving its first reading in the House of Lords the same evening. The bill had its second reading unopposed in the Lords on 4 June, after a "wrecking amendment" proposed by Lord Dear was defeated by a vote of 390–148, thus allowing the bill to proceed to the committee stage." FROM THE SPECTATOR ( http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/05/same-sex-marriage-bill-how-mps-voted ): "MPs voted on tonight’s third reading of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill. It was a free vote, and the Bill passed 366 to 161. 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128:117 tory votes. The 128 being against. I could be wrong though. I guess it doesn't really matter. The bill will pass.
I think they hate because it's not normal or not in the 'norm' I guess. That's a crappy reason, but on the bright sight, alot of people and laws have came to accept gay/lesbian.
Haha who on earth is telling you all this? As others have said, a majority of MPs are in favour of gay marriage. That's why it'll be legalised in England and Wales within a year, and with Scotland soon to follow.
Does anybody know when the bill is actually estimated to be passed? We were discussing this debate during a class in school (it wasn't part of the lesson - it was completely unrelated!). The majority of those in my class are pro gay rights and were saying that they believe that same-sex marriage should be legal. I, despite not being out at all, was quite vocal about this, and I voiced my concern about some of the ridiculous arguments that were given as to why it should not be made legal. My teacher then interjected, saying that the debate is actually a matter of opinion and that we have to remember that there may be others in the class with opposing views, so we should remember that. But I was thinking - it actually isn't really a matter of opinion, but more a matter of actual fact. The so-called 'opinions' and arguments for why same-sex marriage should not be made legal are not actually valid (this is excluding religious reasons, as they had already made clear that the church of England would be excluded from the bill). One of the main reasons is that it will change the definition of marriage, thus affecting the status of heterosexual marriages. THIS SIMPLY WILL NOT HAPPEN. IT IS THE FLIMSIEST ARGUMENT IN THE HISTORY OF ARGUING (sorry for the extensive use of caps locks!). How can people say that it is a matter of opinion, when there really is no argument and the opposition is so invalid? Oh, by the way, my teacher is gay, which made it even more confusing.....
J For me it's not about the marriage itself but the 1500+ benefits that married couples get in the us. Therefore gay couples are being kept from that many rights, which sucks.:bang:
