1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

I feel lost...PLEASE HELP

Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by StacyJones, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. StacyJones

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Gender:
    Male (trans*)
    Sexual Orientation:
    Questioning
    Out Status:
    Not out at all
    Hello everyone, I'm in desperate need of help, and any that I can get would be greatly appreciated.

    I have been married for 16 years to an absolutely wonderful woman, and I have always been completely faithful to her. Recently I came out to her and told her that I liked to crossdress, and that I have fantasies about being dressed as a woman and having sex with a guy, but I would never actually ACT on these feelings. She asked me point blank if I was gay, and I told her I didn't really think that I was, because I loved her, and I'm still attracted to her. She's my best friend, and I love her, but...am I being honest with her?

    Does crossdressing and roleplaying while masturbating mean that I'm just a closeted gay and haven't "taken the next step?" I really want to be honest with her, but I honestly don't know what to think or feel anymore. I like being a guy, but I enjoy expressing my femininity as well, such as shaving my legs and wearing womens' shoes. I found a great pair that are kind of "gender neutral."

    What am I? Is there something wrong with me? Am I lying to my wife? To myself? Why do I feel so bad about having these feelings?

    I'm sorry if this post seems a bit long, but I feel lost, and I don't know where to go or who to talk to anymore.
     
  2. SongshiQuan

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2013
    Messages:
    296
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Can't seem to escape the former CSA.
    Gender:
    Male
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    I don't know much about crossdressing, I'm gay and I've done it once before with a guy but it was more for him than for me. I'm certainly no expert, but I don't think gender expression and/or crossdressing necessarily has anything to do with your sexual orientation. If your wife is cool with you all roleplaying and your 'dressing, I don't think it means that you "have to be gay". The fantasy about being with another man, I don't know maybe you're bi. However, only you have to power to label yourself and determine your own sexual orientation. It sounds like you've been pretty open with your wife to me .
     
  3. joshk

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Sexual Orientation:
    Gay
    Hi Stacy --
    I'm a gay man and don't use women's clothes in any way -- I like masculinity and male forms. Therefore, I'd say that you are in a completely different situation--cross-dressing does not mean that you are gay.
    What makes you hard? That is the key.
     
  4. StacyJones

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Gender:
    Male (trans*)
    Sexual Orientation:
    Questioning
    Out Status:
    Not out at all
    I guess my question is, at what point does my behavior cross a line from "this is just something I enjoy" to "it's time to admit that I'm gay and make peace with it."

    I don't know what I am, and I don't know what to think anymore. I mean, I see a woman and a man, and I think, "God if I were her....", then I feel guilty and horrible for having these feelings, like I'm being dishonest with my wife, and then I read about how it's common and normal to have these feelings. I feel like I'm being torn apart, and I don't know how to make peace with who or what I am. I feel like something is wrong with me, and if I could just get to the core of what it is, then maybe I can fix it.

    :icon_sad:
     
  5. Munyal

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2013
    Messages:
    530
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Kansas City, MO
    Again, cross-dressing and being gay are not synonymous with one another. How you envision yourself being another man's partner does make it seem like you are at least bisexual, but there isn't any reason that you can't be interested in men and women. It is only you who can figure out if you are attracted to men, women, or both.
     
  6. StacyJones

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Gender:
    Male (trans*)
    Sexual Orientation:
    Questioning
    Out Status:
    Not out at all
    Could I just be in denial? My wife suggested that maybe I was. I can honestly say that when she proposed that maybe I was gay, I was instantly turned on. I mean, instantly. But I love her, so how can I be gay, right? No, I'm not. But then I crossdress and masturbate and have these fantasies about being a woman completely and totally, and then I have massive feelings of guilt and frustration.

    Like I said, I feel lost. I hate having these feelings. I just wish we were born with some sort of card that said "This is what you are, accept it, and don't worry anymore about it."

    :confused:

    Could I be transgendered as well?
     
    #6 StacyJones, Dec 14, 2013
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2013
  7. biggayguy

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,082
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Ohio
    Denial is a funny thing. I loved my fiancée and sex was good. The thing is I was becoming increasingly bored with it. we did the same thing the same way to give her orgasms. If I got off fine, if not then oh well. I wish we were born with a card too. It would have saved me many years of denial.
     
  8. StacyJones

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Gender:
    Male (trans*)
    Sexual Orientation:
    Questioning
    Out Status:
    Not out at all
    I just wish there was a pill to make it all stop.

    :frowning2:

    I don't know what's normal, or even how to make peace with myself and who or what I am.

    :frowning2:

    And I don't want to hurt anyone, let alone my wife. She's as wonderful as a woman as any man could want, but I'm not even sure that I'm a man. Maybe I'm a woman trapped in a man's body.

    I'm so confused.

    :tears:
     
  9. lafemmenoir

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2012
    Messages:
    27
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Female
    Normalcy is an illusion. Your existence is a testament to that truth. I hope you will find what makes you happy and allow yourself to live with it. I hate that we've been taught to see things as so black and white. Femininity is not something exclusive to female bodies. It's in all of us in everything. As is masculinity. If shaving your legs and wearing womens shoes feels right to you then I wish for you to honor your spirit and allow it to be. I know that not everyone has the strength, the will, or the desire to take those risks but some of us do and we also unfortunately have to accept that will be judged but I personally think that it's worth it to just be yourself because even when you are pretending to be someone else people will judge you anyways. At least you can be at peace with knowing that you are honoring your own desires.
     
  10. phoebe

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2013
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Adelaide, Australia
    it does not mean your gay? are you only attracted to men? well you said you are attracted to your wife so no you are not gay. you could be bisexual as you do have fantasy about having sex with other men or the could just be curiosity.
     
  11. StacyJones

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Gender:
    Male (trans*)
    Sexual Orientation:
    Questioning
    Out Status:
    Not out at all
    But why can't I stop thinking about it? Everywhere I go, I see women with men and think how lucky they are to have a guy, to be a woman for him, and part of me wishes it was me, wishes I was a woman, a wife. I think maybe I should have been born a woman, but I don't know. I feel so, so lost.

    These desires, never, ever stop, and I wish they would.

    :frowning2:
     
  12. ComingClean

    ComingClean Guest

    What I would say is that being gay and cross-dressing are two separate things.
     
  13. silverhalo

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2008
    Messages:
    10,698
    Likes Received:
    3,723
    Location:
    England,
    Gender:
    Female
    Gender Pronoun:
    She
    Sexual Orientation:
    Lesbian
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    Hey I'm not sure I have any sort of magic answer for you but I can tell you that you are normal. The problem with feelings like this is that things aren't just black and white there are several different things going on.
    Liking to cross dress doesn't make you gay. You could be straight or gay and like to wear women's clothes. You say you often feel like you want to be a woman, that would lead me more to transgender or gender fluid than gay necessarily. Gay guys are attracted to gay guys without wanting to be the woman for them or feel like a woman. Just like I am a gay girl but I don't want to be a man or feel like I have to be a man for my girlfriend. I don't know anything about how it feels to be transgender but often people write about feeling like they are in the wrong body which it doesn't sound like you feel so it might not be that you are.

    Sometimes the forbidden fruit is the most exciting, so you have this idea/fantasy in your head and because you can't carry it out it builds and builds in your mind and the idea of it becomes better and better and almost consumes you. You may find that in reality it isn't as good as you imagined.

    If you weren't married or if you had permission would you want to live 100% as a woman or is it something you feel you would just want to do occasionally?
     
  14. StacyJones

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Gender:
    Male (trans*)
    Sexual Orientation:
    Questioning
    Out Status:
    Not out at all
    If I wasn't married, and I had the permission to live my life, I'd want to live as a woman 24/7. I don't identify with guys, I don't like the things guys like. I prefer the company and conversation of women, I love their mannerisms, caring and gentle nature, confidence and quiet wisdom (and the clothes and shoes!)

    I guess I'm saying, I don't know what I am, or if I need to be concerned about anything. Does having these feelings and "roleplaying" have some deeper meaning that I'm just keeping in denial? And is it time that I just stopped kidding myself and embraced who I am?

    I can tell you honestly I'd LOVE to live as a woman, but living with a guy? Not sure about that...

    The problem with penises are that they're attached to guys!

    See why I'm so confused?
     
    #14 StacyJones, Feb 17, 2014
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2014
  15. silverhalo

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2008
    Messages:
    10,698
    Likes Received:
    3,723
    Location:
    England,
    Gender:
    Female
    Gender Pronoun:
    She
    Sexual Orientation:
    Lesbian
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    I totally see why you are confused. Have you read any information on being transgendered?
     
  16. StacyJones

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Gender:
    Male (trans*)
    Sexual Orientation:
    Questioning
    Out Status:
    Not out at all
    Tons. I've read that it's biological, that basically we all have a female brain (since we're inherently female developmentally) and the proper hormones were not obtained in either the right dosage and/or for the proper amount of time, and that's why some males are born with a "female brain", i.e., they identify with females, etc. It's sketchy data at best, but it's at least a start in the direction of where being transgendered comes from.

    I can tell you that I was raised by a mother who encouraged non-traditional male behavior, and my father did everything in his power to smash those feelings out of me. He openly berated me for being "girly" and "not manly enough".

    I've read that there are different levels of gender dysphoria. I have not spoken to a professional psychologist. Perhaps it's time that I did.

    Like I said, (without going into too much detail), I like to dress and roleplay being a woman, and fantasize about being with a guy...are there some deeper issues that I need to explore, or can I just chalk this up to "Hey, it's fun and I'm not hurting anyone" category. I can honestly say that if I could, I'd live as a woman every waking moment for the rest of my life, it I could and it was practical.

    Or am I completely wrong to compartmentalize and label myself? I'm just trying to "Know thyself."

    :confused:
     
  17. silverhalo

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2008
    Messages:
    10,698
    Likes Received:
    3,723
    Location:
    England,
    Gender:
    Female
    Gender Pronoun:
    She
    Sexual Orientation:
    Lesbian
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    I think that maybe it's time to see someone but not because you are crazy just because they are the best people to advise you on where you would like to go from here and how far you would like to take it.

    I really wish I could help more but I don't really have any knowledge in this area. You might find some of the members on here that are transgendered will pop up with some better information.
     
  18. GayCJ

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2014
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Gender:
    Male
    Out Status:
    A few people
    I'm not transgendered, but it seems to me that one of the best things for you to note is that it is not abnormal to be LGBT, in Britain alone 3.6 million people are LGBT. It is perfectly fine and normal if you are indeed gay, or if you're trans.
     
  19. StacyJones

    Regular Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Gender:
    Male (trans*)
    Sexual Orientation:
    Questioning
    Out Status:
    Not out at all
    Thank you all for the kind words and support. I've done so much soul searching, and I think everyday about my situation. I constantly think about having sex with guys and I wish I was born a woman. I can't stop thinking about it. Ever. It occupies damn near every waking moment of my day. It's almost like I can't even focus on anything else. That's why I'm wondering if maybe I'm gay and just in denial, and that maybe if I came out, I wouldn't obsess over it so much.

    I guess I'm saying, my ideal life would be a woman and be with a guy. If this is just a fantasy, wouldn't I only think about it once in a while? Why do I think about it all the time?

    All of this just makes me want to cry. I'm hurting so much on the inside and no one even knows cause I just smile and put on a brave face.

    :tears:
     
  20. silverhalo

    Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2008
    Messages:
    10,698
    Likes Received:
    3,723
    Location:
    England,
    Gender:
    Female
    Gender Pronoun:
    She
    Sexual Orientation:
    Lesbian
    Out Status:
    Out to everyone
    I think if you were gay you would want to be with a guy but I don't think you would obsess so badly about being a woman.
    I think you should find a therapist that specialises in this subject and book an appointment, what have you got to lose?
    I think they would explain to you that how you feel is very common and you are totally not alone.