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Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by moonlake, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. moonlake

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    I’ve been thinking about my sexuality quite a lot lately and have so say, the more I think about it the more confused I seem to get.

    I’m a 26 year old male. Until about 3 years I never questioned my sexuality. There was absolutely no question in my mind that I was an ordinary, heterosexual person. Sure : I realized that I probably wasn’t as interested in girls as other men seemed to be, but I naturally assumed I just had to meet the right girl and things would take their course.
    By the time I was around 23, I started to wonder and things have been complicated ever since.

    The fact is that I am just not interested in having sex with women. But I don’t fancy men either. It’s not that the thought of sex is disgusting, it just seems utterly pointless : Sexual part goes into receptacle ..short adrenalin/endorphin rush … end of story. Why would anyone bother ? When thinking about sex it doesn’t really matter if it’s a woman or a man, both seem equally boring.

    For a while I was quite fine on my own but lately I’ve been longing to experience a loving and emotionally intimate relationship. I went out with a few women but these relationships all seem to end pretty much the same way. All goes well until about the 3rd or 4th date and then they realize that sex is not going to happen and they suddenly loose all interest.

    On an emotional level, I get interested in both men and women and can even develop an (albeit slight) crush on someone but when it comes to sex I’m not interested. In terms of relationship I’d be fine with either gender, the personality of a person is much more important than their gender. It is this interest in sexual intercourse that everyone seems to have that I don’t quite understand.

    Most of my friends as well as my parents suspect I’m gay, solely based (I guess) on the fact that I’ve never had a steady girl friend. Some are supportive (which is a bit awkward if you yourself aren’t even sure), others (e.g. my parents) seem to be less accepting and drop remarks disapproving of homosexuality seemingly at random whenever the topic of me still not having a girl friend comes up. Personally, at this point, I don’t think I care whether I’m gay, straight or whatever. I’d just like to know which one it is….
     
  2. krazykyle

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    possibly bisexual?
     
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    First of all, hi there and welcome to EC! :slight_smile: Glad you decided to join!

    Figuring out your sexual identity can take some time and it can be a difficult process as you are trying to understand what all the feelings that you are experiencing mean. Sexual identities are never fixed, they are fluid. Try not to label yourself at this stage. Try to explore all the feelings that you are experiencing. We can have different levels of attachments to females and males. It seems that you are trying to figure out where is the stronger pull.

    Follow what feels right for you. What I mean here, follow what ever with what you feel comfortable with and were you can say to yourself, this feels right.

    It is possible that until you figure out what your sexual identity is, that you will have some disinterest in any sexual activity as nothing feels right at this point. Nevertheless, you have started to develop wants for a relationship, which might also lead you to developing some interests in taking it further. If you feel that going out with females is not going anywhere, have you tried going out with males as well? Try that, and see how it makes you feel and where it leads you.

    I think it might be beneficial if you try to see a counselor/therapist and talk about your feelings and thoughts. Talking about them might also help you to understand your feelings and thoughts better.

    Also, stick around on EC for a while. Hope this helps!
     
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    Romance-wise, you sound pretty middle-of-the-road bisexual.

    Sex-wise, asexual sounds the best. You seem to have no physical interest in either gender, which is perfectly fine.
     
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    It still might be that you're not either bi-sexual or asexual, maybe you've just got to find the right person (guy/girl/...) that turns you on...
    Don't look for a clear definition of yourself, everyone's different :slight_smile:
     
  6. moonlake

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    Thank you all for your replies so far.


    It's not that going out with females doesn't feel right to me. Actually it feels great and I've enjoyed it. The problem is that after a couple of dates the women start noticing that I'm not pushing for sex. We discuss it, I tell them I really like them but am not ready for sex, they end up loosing interest and the entire relationship slowly implodes over the pursing weeks.

    As for going out with guy - I wouldn't mind doing so. The problem is I honestly don't know where I'd find any. I've gone out for a drink or such with a couple of guys I found likeable, none of which were gay (at least not to my knowledge), so none of these ever turned into anything resembling a relationship. As for openly gay guys, there don't seem to be too many around and societal pressures make it a lot more difficult to get to know them and find out whether I would even be interested in having a relationship with them.


    I tried that about 6 months ago for a couple of sessions, but he never seemed to get
    the fact that I'm not afraid of sex, it just doesn't appeal to me. He kept telling me how wonderful sex is, how everone likes it and how I should try it and I kept replying that I'm perfectly ok with sex as such, and rul ou trying it, but that I haven't found a single person yet that I'd be sexually attracted to. I told him that I was attracted to people’s mind’s/their personality, not their bodies. Sure : I can appreciate if a person is beautiful, akin to appreciating a beautiful painting or scenery, but I never quite got the hang of why people find complete strangers they see on the street “hot” and get all exited, even though they’ve only seen that person for a few seconds and will never see them again.
    The therapist in turn didn’t seem to understand that, so the discussion went around in circles for a few sessions until I finally gave up.

    The only other medical professional I have ever mentioned this to, was, oddly enough, a hematologist I got referred to by my physician. For some reason he wanted to do an AIDS test and I told him there was no point, as I have not had sexual intercourse. He looked surprised and the proceeded to ask me if I was a "fucking homo" (those exact words !). I was quite baffled. He did the AIDS test anyway (against my express wishes, from blood he had drawn earlier) - a fact I only discovered when he sent me the bill a few weeks later. Needless to say I never went back.

    So I guess I haven't really been successful in finding understanding doctors so far. Other than that I tried a clergyman once, but he didn't understand either and kept telling me how pleasantly he was surprised "that there are still young people these days that are morally strong enough to save themselves for the sanctity of marriage". :bang:
     
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    When it comes down to it everything we do in life is for a reward whether its a material possession of just a feeling. People go to school and thus get a better job allowing them to get better things for themselves or in other words rewards. People do charity work to help those in need because it gives them a sense of self-worth and makes them happy. Why can't sex be the same? You can give you and your partner pleasure on top of a new level of intimacy so, why not?
     
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    I’m just gonna go offtopic and be rather crude.

    Sex isn't all about the climax; that's a tiny bit of it.

    If sex was nothing more then the physical pleasure, and then again nothing but the orgasm there would be no point having sex unless you were trying to have children.

    Sex involves and implies a lot more, that's what most people enjoy about it. And I think you're doing fine, if you're not 'sexually' or emotionally attracted to the person then you're right, there is almost no point.

    Don't label yourself anything, keep an open mind and wait for the right opportunity, you will figure it out. :slight_smile:
     
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    That is what I was going to say. Maybe it would help to talk with some asexual people and see if you can relate to what they are feeling. http://www.asexuality.org/en/
     
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    First off - welcome to EC. This is a great place for everyone to figure out and get comfortable with their orientation.

    Next - and this might be a little forward, but - do you masturbate at all? Engage in any kind of erotic fantasy?

    I guess I'd find it a little odd myself if by the age of 26 you'd never even tried to masturbate. That would indicate to me as well that you're simply asexal - not interested in sex with either gender.

    However, I could see myself to some extent in your post. I'd never had sex with anyone until I was 25. And I think I was always a little self-righteous about it too. Like it was not an issue. I didn't need to have sex with any one, nor did I see the big deal everyone else was making of it. But I think that was to a large extent 'sour grapes'. I wanted it as much as the next person, but because I didn't understand myself or my orientation I didn't ever know how to initiate a relationship with someone - male or female.

    As a self-defense mechanism I simply chose to think I was 'above' it in some way.

    In a more simplistic and less analytical way of thinking, I'll just say "Don't knock it if you haven't tried it." Sex IS quite enjoyable when it's with someone that you care about. And that goes for hetro or homo sex. It's pretty awesome. I'd recommend it.

    If any of this made sense and you wanted to discuss it more, just PM me. Again welcome to EC!
     
  12. moonlake

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    Thank you again for your replies !

    I didn't masturbate until around 3 or 4 years ago, when - and this may sound a bit strange - I started doing so on the advice of a urologist. I find the experience pleasurable, but not really that great. The frequency with which I do it varies greatly, if I am extremely bored I do it maybe once or twice a week, if I have interesting things going on in my life, I go without for months. You could compare it to chocolate. Yes, it’s ok, but if I somehow developed an allergy to chocolate, I wouldn’t really loose sleep over it. There are so many other tasty things to eat that, if it were just chocolate, I wouldn’t really care at all.

    When I masturbate I think of beautiful places, such as beaches or ranges, not people.
    I've never had any erotic or sexual dreams nor do I fantasize about sex. When I watch a film and the seemingly obligatory erotic scene comes up, I most often hit fast forward. Sometimes I don’t and just sit there in awe, wondering why they are doing, what they are doing. Sort of like watching a documentary on the voodoo cult in Haiti or the cultural aspects of some Amazon rainforest tribe. I can intellectually understand the concepts, but not emotionally. The romance part of movies I get and can connect with, the sex part just seems alien.

    Ok. Let's think this through. Masturbation is ok I guess, nothing special, but a quick high, which is pleasant. I'll take your word on it, that sexual intercourse is a lot more fun than masturbation. It really has to be – considering the length to which people go to have it. So what do I do now : Next time someone is sexually attracted to me and is making a move, I go along and feign mutual attraction. We go to the bedroom and then ? Even if it were to work physically, I think I’d end up feeling pretty awkward. I guess you could compare it to this : If you (as a gay man) had a really close female friend, that you had a very close emotional connection with, and who was sexually attracted to you, and assuming that she was your only chance at any intimate relationship for a substantial amount of time : would you feel comfortable having sex with here to keep her as a friend ?

    The first part sounds a little bit familiar. Question : Before you had sex, were you attracted to other men or did you have sexual fantasies ? I'm asking because I think for me to accept sex as a regular part of a relationship something major would have to happen. I would have to start feeling a desire to have sex. I would be ok having sex a couple of times as a "trade-off" for a relationship, or for procreation - I don’t find sex repulsive as such. It just seems awkward to being doing something on a regular basis that I seem to have no inclination to do.

    From what I understand, most people find out about their sexual orientation pretty early in life. In respect to inter-gender relations there were a few major changes to people's behavior I observed growing up, that I didn't understand at the time. The first was that sometime in late elementary school, when other boys suddenly started viewing girls differently, their status changed from "enemy" to "cute". I really didn't get why. The next major (non-)change was puberty. That ominous time you get all those "confusing feelings". Somehow those never arrived - I considered myself lucky and assumed I was one of the few people that got through that time easier than others. I never fully understood what those "strange feelings" actually were though. People started dating and I went along with the flow, just because it seemed the normal thing to do. Although I never quite got the difference between being friends and being boy-and-girl friend. I obviously knew that this thing called "sex" existed, but I didn't feel the urge and didn't see a need to rush into anything that I didn't feel to desire to do. In college I went out with friends and people commented on how girls are “hot” and guys are “cute”. I kept thinking “How do you know they’re nice, if you haven’t ever spoken to them ?”

    I think the main problem in my relationship may not be the lack of intercourse, it more likely is that fact that girls have not felt sufficiently desired. Most seem to be happy not having sex initially (at least so they say), however it seems to be a major problem if the guy doesn't push for it, at least a little. Maybe I'm being unfair here, I don't know.
    But I think the latter is my major problem. Even if I set out on a relationship with the intent of having sex, that ominous thing called sexual desire would still be missing. Prospective partners would still feel undesired and would likely still have the same feeling of rejection. The question I'm asking myself is : can sex with a person you don't feel (sexually) attracted to be emotionally fulfilling for either party ?

    I briefly checked out that site and will likely do so in more detail. Some of the posts ring familiar, however quite a few others seem to be by people who have enjoyed sex in the past and now have lost that, or do feel attracted to others, but simply not as much/often as seems to be expected. While I can understand that would be a major problem, it doesn’t completely resonate with me.
     
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    I hadn't noticed that you'd responded to my questions. Sorry about that. Your latest post prompted me to go back and look at what I'd said previously.

    The answer would be yes. Probably to a fault, my sexual fantasies revolved around images I would see in magazines - from a fairly young age - and then later in videos and on the internet. The earlier images were hetrosexual, and I would get arroused. Moreso when the pictures were of a man and a woman engaging in sex - and I wonder in hindsight if I was more interested in the man's image than the woman's right from the start.

    Then at the age of 19 or so, I literally stumbled upon some gay porn unintentionally, I found it VERY arrousing. And over time I gradually switched.

    So yes - I've always had sexual desires. They were always kept private and hidden though - as it was never discussed at home.
     
  14. moonlake

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    Thank you for your reply !

    I've looked at porn - both gay and straight - just to see what everyone is talking abut and somehow I don't get it. When I look at pictures I can appreciate that a certain person looks beautiful, but "down there" nothing happens, nor do I feel any sexual urges.

    When I have crushes on people they are usually very mild and focus more on people's personality. I get interested in people because I think they might (or actually are) really nice people. Looks aren't really iimportant at all.
     
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    ok, kinda off topic but um, i think its pretty cool tat u dont think of people sexually.
    lust always gets in the way of love. i think that personal is reallly MUCH more important.

    if i were ur age nd i was going out with u i dont think i wud really mind the fact tat u havnt pressurend me into the bedroom.

    i agree with u about the "down there" part. i dont see the big deal about getting to see a guy or a girl down there.
    mayb astriod nd jim r right about u needing to experiment. i hav no personal experience to share but just trying it might b good. just mayb wait until u find some one u really and truely care about