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Discussion in 'Coming Out Advice' started by jacobkwilson2, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. jacobkwilson2

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    This is my first post, and it's the reason I've joined. Sorry it's long, but please help:

    I have been with my boyfriend for a few months now, 2 or 3, and he's my first bf. He's had several before but I'm brand new to it all.

    Being a newbie, I told myself I'd be 100% honest, not hold back, constantly give him everything I had and just be in love. If he loved me back then it would be perfect because he was truly loving me, not some mind games or lies, and if he didn't feel the same way, then we weren't right for each other.

    I'm 15 and he's 16 and I've always been really insecure, but when we got together and I realised he didn't need to say he loved me, or be with me, but he chose to, my self esteem started to build. All the other shit in my life felt like it meant nothing, the only thing I cared about was me and him.

    He went to Scotland (we live in England) for a week, though, and when he came back, things were different. He didn't cheat on me, I know that, but he said he just didn't love me any more.

    I know what it's like: You can fancy someone in school or work and then go on holiday for a week, and when you get back you just don't fancy them any more.

    The thing is, all that confidence that was starting to grow, has gone. We both said we wanted to get married and have a kid and two dogs, and I know it's stupid to believe that, and I know all couples say stuff like that, but i truly truly believed it was going to happen.

    We got back together shortly afterwards, and he says he doesn't know why he left me, but now I know in the back of my mind, he might do it again, he might leave. He could end it any second.

    And the confidence is returning, slowly.

    It's just that even though we're together, I still feel a bit heartbroken. As though I've split up with him and found someone else. I'm happy, but it still hurts, and now I have doubts.

    I never stopped loving him, but he stopped loving me... When he went to Scotland he forgot how to love me and I forgot how not to love him.

    Any advice - P.S. saying "leave him" is pretty pointless because I can't do that. I just can't bring myself to do it. To end those happy times. I've never been this happy, I'm just a bit scared.

    Any help, advice, personal experiences?

    Thanks so much. xXx

    And I should just add another couple of points which I'd like advice / help on:

    He is a bit of a wanker around me when we're with friends and he's not very affectionate in public.

    This might be because he's not out to his family, only his school peers, but I am very understanding. I know how difficult it is, and I would never dream of rushing him, but in the middle of another city, not our hometown where our families live, holding hands or a quick kiss shouldn't be a problem... Should it?

    I just want to be like every other couple, because I know he really loves me, and I love him too. Thanks.
     
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    No advice from me, I am not the best person to give it, but I send you my support and hope that it all works out for you in the end.

    Edit: Just saw your second post, public affection between same sex couples is still taboo and he may well have some hang-ups about that, I can understand that if it is how he is feeling. I know he is the older one but he might still have some stuff going on in his head that you have already come to terms with. Be patient.
     
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    Thanks very much. You made me feel a little better and at least now I'll have something to remember if it feels a bit difficult. Thanks xXx
     
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    I have these trust issues but I wouldn't recommend the things I do.

    You could talk to him about it...
    but that might not work, he might beat around the bush as being young therefore makes us useless to having a serious conversation.

    I think you should let your defenses drop.
    If he does it again. It's an experience which will only make you stronger.

    You'll have better insight into what you've done wrong. (Not that it is your fault)
    The next relationship could be better, because you have these defenses, and only when they drop do you know that this is the right guy.

    You'd be surprised how common this is.

    The reason he's probably a show-off in front of his friends is because...
    they're his friends...that's what people do.

    His friends don't want to see him sucking face with you.
    Just like I don't want to see my friends doing it in front of me.
    It's inconsiderate.

    And with public affection, it is REALLY hard for some people.
    I know I still find it hard. WAY hard.
    It's just the fact you know people will be watching.
    And you know that some of those people are going to disapprove.
    Even the people who don't give a damn and are very open minded are going to stop and stare.
    Not many people have seen same sex kissing before, so they will look.

    Just give it all time.
    See where it goes.
    See if you can trust him again.
    Maybe even try and squeeze why he initially broke up with you.

    Good luck!
     
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    Hi and welcome to EC !
    I won't really give you any advice, because any relationship is unique, but I can give you some thoughts.
    First thing, you are both very young. You are both to an age where there is so many things to discover about the world, about feelings, about yourself, that everything can change very quickly. It's why beign a teenager can be so confusing sometimes, and beign a gay teenager is even more difficult.
    I completly understand that you feel hurt about the fact he left you, and that it is still hurting you even if you are back together. One thing you have to know is that no relationship is a walk in the park. What you have to keep in mind is that a relationship is about two individuals who of course have feelings for each others but who also come in that relationship with their past, their fears, their insecurities, their whishes and hopes. Sometimes it is not easy to cope with all that things, for both partners.
    I'd say that in your case it is even more complicated because you are teenagers, and it is not easy to built a relationship while you haven't finished to "built" yourself as individuals.
    You might never know why your boyfriend broke up with you, maybe je will never know himself. You say that it makes you feel insecure to think he can stop loving you, but you don't know what the future is made of : you can stop love him too. I think the important thing is to focus on the fact that you are back together. Obviously, you care about each other and it is what matter. You can't change the fact you boyfriend broke up with you, but you can take care about your current relationship now you are back together.
    One important, more than important essential, thing in a relationship is to communicate about you feelings. You can say to your boyfriend that he hurt you when he broke up with you, and also that you are happy that you are back together because you care about him very much.
    Another thing you said is that you boyfriend doesn't want to express his feelings for you in public. It happens sometimes. Some people are very discreet and don't like expressing their feelings in public. It can be even more difficult for you as public affection between same sex couples is still not well tolerate in our societies. Give your boyfriend some time. Once again, you are both still very young and acknowledge that he is gay is one thing, but your boyfriend maybe not prepared to let anyone know it.
    I wish you and your boyfriend all the happiness in the world.
    Take care, Eleanor
     
  6. jacobkwilson2

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    Thank you all very much(&&&), I understand it all a bit better.

    Any more comments are still welcome:lol:...
     
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    The teen years are never easy, even for those people who seem to be having a blast. Everything seems to come at you so fast. I will tell you that life gets better. Your world grows. You’re going to find that in a few years time you are in a completely different place then where you were when you were 15. Confidence is an issue for everyone kids, adults, everyone!!!!!!!! With pop culture telling you should and shouldn’t do I can’t believe most people don’t rip all their hair out.
    The best way I know to deal with confidence issues is to ask questions:
    What don’t you like about yourself?
    Why?
    What DO you like about yourself? (don’t say nothing, that’s a load of crap)
    Why?
    What is it about this person that makes you feel good?
    And is this just a substitute for something else?

    I guess the long and short of what I’m trying say is to step back and look things. See what you don’t like. And remember you can change things for yourself.

    (*hug*)
     
  8. jacobkwilson2

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    I constantly make a list in my head of shit which I don't like or which needs changing, and I cross things off whenever I can. But my bf, whom I won't name for his sake, makes none of it matter. He really is everything to me. I just pray he doesn't pull the rug from underneath me again, and leave me on my arse.

    And I hope you don't think I'm being selfish being annoyed at not having any public affection, it's nothing like that, I know it's difficult and there's a stigma attached, but when I see pictures, like the ones on the homepage of this site, of the two lads hugging or sitting on a hill together, I think to myself that I'd give everything I own to do that with him for just a minute.

    We have sex, which is all well and good (and painful, lol. let's not go there) but that would be something else, better than an orgasm, better than a million.

    If someone said to me "you can spend an evening on that hill, like on the homepage, but you can never have sex again," I'd make the trade. And I know I'd remember it on my death bed.

    I just love him so much :icon_redf . I suppose you all know about all this shit better than I do. But I do feel better than I did so thanks (&&&)

    Any more comments are still more than welcome btw... (&&&)

    I know I probably shouldn't be doing this, but people only tend to reply when this thread is at the top of the list, and the onyl way to do that is to post another comment. And i'd really like more people's views, so sorry, but :***: IF YOU'RE READING THIS, PLEASE COMMENT! :***: Thanks so much, this is the nicest community I've ever been involved in and I've only been here for a day...

    (&&&)
     
  9. joeyconnick

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    Well I have several thoughts.

    First off (and possibly most minor) is that sex shouldn't be painful. Second off, and I feel contractually obligated to say this, and I know you're probably heard it a gazillion times before, but you two use protection, right? That is really crucial. Why? Well, it follows from what Eleanor Rigby said (and she made many excellent points) in that people come into relationships with all their own issues and insecurities. So if you are dating someone who dumped you after a week apart, you have to make room for the possibility that said person could cheat on you. I'm not saying you have to be paranoid about it but the most sensible and best thing you can do for yourself is to realise now that people are human, and very flawed (that part the Bible definitely got right, which is not something you'll hear me say very often *grin*), and even the best of people make mistakes, and cheating is a common one, and yeah, if you just always use protection, you'll be doing yourself a favour.

    My main point would be that you talked about how your self-confidence began to build while you were dating this guy and then how it all disappeared when he dumped you. That wasn't actually self-confidence you were feeling. How do I know that? Because self-confidence is about the self--it's not something that disappears based on whether or not we find ourselves in a relationship or not. What you were/are feeling is confidence based on being in a relationshp. Over time, that may transform into something more internal that can be called self-confidence but honestly if all your positive feelings about yourself fled when the guy did, you weren't really experiencing an increase in self-confidence. You were just feeling good about yourself because you were in a relationship... which is totally understandable, normal, and awesome. But it's not the same thing as really believing in yourself. And it's important to recognise the difference because then you don't have to doubly beat yourself up if you feel shitty when you get dumped. Feeling shitty is normal. It's not any kind of failure on your part. ANYONE would feel like dirt being dumped like that, no matter how old or young they were. But feeling like that is kinda parallel to self-confidence.

    And now the real crux of the issue, which is that he's your first boyfriend. You probably know, intellectually, because you sound like you have a pretty good grip on what's what, that statistically/realistically speaking, the likelihood any of us will spend our lives with our first boyfriends is... pretty slim. And the reason I say "intellectually" is because I know I was more than aware of that when I was first involved with someone--and it really didn't help me from falling head over heels, I will love you forever until I die for this boy. But the thing about first relationships is that none of us have any context for them, nothing at all to judge them by. We can't remotely see past them into a future when we're not necessarily still with that person.

    It's a very all-consuming experience. It's part of being inexperienced--it's the only thing we have, and so it means everything to us. We can't see past its boundaries. But the fact that we're unable to see past it doesn't mean there's not a whole wide world out there past it.

    You will, I guarantee it, never feel the same way about anyone as you do about your boyfriend. He's your first--no one else will ever be your first. You will remember him as long as you live. But not feeling the same about anyone else does not mean you won't feel just as strongly (or even more) for other people in your life. Every relationship we have is a totally different experience. But if this relationship does end, even though it will feel like your world is ending with it, in fact it's totally just beginning. If he can't express his feelings for you publicly, you will definitely find someone who can. You will have your hilltop moment.
     
  10. jacobkwilson2

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    Thank you very much. I hope I do get my hilltop moment.

    And I know I won't be with him forever. If I didn't before, I do now. But I won't let it jynx what I do have with him.

    It's not impossible for it to last for ever... It won't last forever, but it's not impossible... And it would be nice... And I do love him.

    Thanks very much for your comments, and your concern. It really means a lot to me. xXx (&&&)
     
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    I think most of the important points were already covered by Joey and Eleanor. Your first relationship will always stick with you and it will be hard to forget about it completely. There will always be something that will remind you of it, even later in life. The person with whom you will end up marrying or be in a long term relationship with at some point in your life, most likely will not be your first boyfriend.

    Eleanor mentioned a number of good points, that you should give some thought to. The fact that you are still teens and that there are so many things that you guys are still discovering about yourself and the world around you, might change how you feel about each other at some point. People change over time, and sometimes, we change in opposite directions, where we develop new interests, and wants. It's possible that you might be going on a trip and you come back, and you realize that this might not work out, or that you two are too different for it to work out. It can and does happen.

    Please don't get me wrong, it's great that you have a bf, and that you guys have found a way to get together again, but maybe lower your expectations a little bit for the future. Take it for what it is at this moment. Given that it is your fist relationship, take it slow. Try to enjoy your relationship with him, and as Eleanor said, be open with him, and as him to do the same and to talk about your feelings, and problems. The more open you are with each other, and the more you talk about your feelings and problems the more you will see if it can actually work out for a longer period of time. It has only been two or three months, so there is still a lot that you guys are learning about each other.

    I hope this helps a bit!
     
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    It does. Thanks very much. And please keep posting...
     
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    wow you sounds so much like me...except i never got back together with the guy :frowning2: i had my first boyfriend at 16 and it got to the point where we said we loved each other. and it was great for about 4 months.then he went away,when he came back he said he just didn't love me anymore,i was soo confused coz he said he still found me really physically attractive,but didn't love me anymore. i had the same thing with the loss of confidence which had built up from the feeling that somebody had chosen to be with me and even love me.

    Anyway yeah soz thats not really advice,just thought id let you know i can really empathise with you :slight_smile:
     
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    Aww babe, that sound horrible. I really wish I could give you a hug. You sound like a really nice person. I don't know what to say. You sound like you deserve someone, and I truly hope you find that person. That sounds so unfair. Men can be twats.

    I can't think how I'd feel if me and * wouldn't have got back together. It would've fucked my head up so bad, and I would've gone into complete reclusion.

    Remember that the chances of the best boyfriend you'll ever have being the first one are very slim. But it's still not fair. The worst thing is that you still love them. It's not fair. You should sit down and talk it through, they shouldn't just stop loving you. It's so fucking horrible.

    I really wish I could comfort you babe. I wish you the best of luck with it all.

    xXxxXxXx (*hug*)(*hug*)(*hug*)(*hug*)(*hug*)
     
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    awww thankyou (*hug*) :grin: yeah it can be rubbish but as you say the chance of the first one being the best are slim,and im pretty much ok now most of the time :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: tho i think i probably will be much less open in my next relationship. But im sure you'll be ok :grin: and if you ever wanna chat,im always free :slight_smile: (seriously,always on here to distract me from having to do school work lol :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: )
     
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    tbh i think that you are back together, make the most of it, don't dwell on the past, isn't taking the risk that you might get hurt what love is all about??and in the end, if it doesn't work out, then you are 15 so u have loads of time to find the right guy, but i understand that you love him, so yeh just talk to him, tell him how you feel and good luck
     
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    Thanks very much... Keep posting please (&&&)
     
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    I don't see what more can be said here D:
    No more bumping if you don't mind.

    Or ask specific questions. :slight_smile:

    Oooh I sound like mod.
    I feel so cool!
     
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    Just move forward. Love is a fragile game, even the best of relationships have had their rockiest moments, and you will find that in the long run you both love each other and the past will seem insignificant.
     
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    Thanks very much. And btw, I probably shouldn't say this but you're display picutre is FIIIIIIIIINE :icon_wink