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I can't tell if he's curious?

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  1. partyboy

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    Hey guys. I'm just posting to get some advice on a friend of mine.

    We see eachother pretty much every day (except the holidays, he goes away with family for the summer), but we still talk every day on msn, on the phone or text or something.

    Anyway, he knows I'm gay and since we've been friends he's just done some things that puzzle me. He lets me sleep in his bed when we've been on a night out, sometimes asking me to come back. He's told me he wished I was a girl so he could sleep with me, those are just little things.

    Bigger things such are things like when we've shared a bed, he's spooned me, I wake up cuddling him sometimes, on nights out, obviously having a laugh we've had like three way kisses, and he always begs me to get involved. Twice now when we've shared a bed he's started coming on to me and asked me to give him a blowjob, but I never did.

    There have been other things too but my mind is drawing a blank right now but he's really confusing me because I can just never tell what he's doing. He knows I've got a bit of a crush on him so if he ever wanted to do anything, he knows I'm game but it never goes that far. But he still does things like this all the time and I just don't know how to deal with it?
     
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    From what it sounds like to me, he is curious but still more straight than anything.

    I think what he is trying to tell you is that he values you as a friend and doesn't want your sexuality getting in the way of that. As you say, he knows you have a crush on him. He may be trying to reciprocate that simply out of a misplaced desire for friendship or as you seem to hope he might genuinely have feelings for you. Stranger things have happened.

    He has said that he wished you were a girl? That seems to indicate to me that he is attracted to girls rather than guys, but still has some kind of feelings for you. This is more my musings on the matter than anything set in stone - I don't know him or know the exact situation.

    Advice wise... I think It would be best for you to just be honest with him. Tell him that he's confusing you and that you would like him to explain himself. It will most likely be embarrassing for both of you, but it could very well stop you making a big mistake. If you're lucky and he truly does have feelings for you, then you might just be able to progress it into a relationship if that is what you both want...

    Best of luck.
     
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    Well Welcome to EC!

    I think that he's wants to you to be a girl is indicating he is straight.
    Sharing a bed...Many friends have done that and still do it. I think he's just being friendly on that front.

    But asking you to give him a blowjob he may just be a little bit curious. I would talk to him and ask him. If it is making you a little bit uncomfortable tell him.

    Hope this helps. Best wishes.
    George
     
  4. partyboy

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    To elaborate on the blowjob thing, we were both quite drunk, and we started rolling around in the bed just sort of touching, then he told me to stop, then instigated it again, doing this about 4 times, until in the end it was ME who got fed up and told him to go to sleep.

    He's admitted he would do gay porn as well if the money was right so I don't think he's totally adverse to exploring that side of himself but I'm just getting frustrated as I'd wish he'd hurry up and decide if he's gonna do anything about it or not.
     
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    I say just do what Roxas said. Talk to him about it and get a straight answer from him. BOTH of you need to know what HE wants before something truely bad happens.
     
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    He sounds curious, for sure. Like others have said, be honest and tell him all of this and ask him what's really going on in his head.
     
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    My intuition tells me that when one guy asks another guy for a blowjob, he is probably at least curious.
     
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    >>>He knows I've got a bit of a crush on him so if he ever wanted to do anything, he knows I'm game but it never goes that far.

    Really?

    >>>Twice now when we've shared a bed he's started coming on to me and asked me to give him a blowjob, but I never did.

    Maybe I'm old school, but I would certainly file "asking to get a blowjob" under the heading of "ever wanting to do something". Dude, he wants to have sex. It doesn't get any more blatant than that. His comments about wishing you were a girl and all that give you some more information, though. It sounds more specifically like he wants to have sex, he knows you've got a crush on him, so hey - why not? It sounds unlikely that he wants to be your boyfriend, or that he wants anybody to know about you two having sex. If I can be extremely blunt (and a bit cruel), he's horny and you're convenient.

    So what should you do? I guess that depends - what do you want to do?

    Option one - talk to him. Tell him you've noticed him making some hesitant moves in that direction, and ask what he'd really like to do. He may be upfront and say he's looking for some downlow, no-strings-attached buddy sex. But I'd say it's more likely he sort of waves the whole thing away, and all the moves in that direction will stop.

    Option two - don't talk to him. Have sex with him. Next time he makes a move, just make a move back. Don't talk about what you're doing, or about "what it all means", or ask him what he'd like. Just crawl on top of him, take his dick out, stroke him off, give him a blowjob. There's a slight chance he'll stop you, in which case just ask why he kept suggesting you do so. More likely, he'll lay back and let it happen. But chances aren't too great he'll be gung-ho about reciprocating. In fact, post-orgasm, he'll probably be pretty nervous and might want some space between you for awhile. You'll have to do your best to reassure him that all this will remain in the bedroom, and that nothing will change between you two.

    The first option is more likely to result in keeping the friendship intact.
    The second option is more likely to result in you getting in his pants.
    Your call.

    Lex
     
  9. Chip

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    I will disagree with the majority of posters and go more with Lex's view. I think it's very likely he's gay (or at least heavily bi) and has been deeply closeted and is now in the process of trying to come out.

    If we think of the *internal* coming out process (i.e., admitting it to himself, not to anyone else), one still goes through the stages of loss when that happens (denial-anger-bargaining-grief-acceptance) So the sorts of behaviors he's doing right now are somewhere between denial and bargaining ("It's not gay if I do it when I'm drunk... It's not gay if I'm getting paid... it's not gay if the guy only blows me... it's not gay if I spoon with a guy")

    As for the gay porn thing... that's essentially an admission right there. While there are some straight people who do "gay for pay", they are pretty few and far between (so-called "straight boy" sites notwithstanding). However, there are an awful lot of guys who do gay porn as a "safe" way to explore, try out, and rationalize gay sex, and use it as a safe way to come out.

    If you're attracted to him, I'd say go slow, play along with the whole "i'm straight" thing, and let him explore and develop comfort with everything over time. But be prepared for it to take time, and for him to go back and forth over whether or not he's "gay" even while sucking your dick or letting you pound his ass... for some people, the denial can be pretty strong. :slight_smile:
     
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    Haha, thanks for the replies guys.

    He has a repuation as a bit of a womaniser, I know he's slept with a fair few amount of girls. But I'm gonna decide carefully what to do because we're such good friends, and I know I can handle and cope with going further but obviously if he's uneasy or something I don't want to lose the great relationship we already have. It's just a shame he's not so willing to just have a bit of fun lol...
     
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    >>>It's just a shame he's not so willing to just have a bit of fun lol...

    Twice now when we've shared a bed he's started coming on to me and asked me to give him a blowjob, but I never did.

    Yeah, shame that.

    Lex
     
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    Lol, you make me laugh :slight_smile:

    It's not that I didn't try. Like I said, I went for it, and he pushed me away both times, but both times he asked for it. So he obviously didn't have the bottle. I'm not the type of person that waits around either so if it ever happens, it happens. Otherwise, I'll get on with my life. I just needed an opinion as to what other people thought...
     
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    Yes, this is the biggest "wtf" to me. If he straight up asked for it, he's down. One time on a vacation I had to share a bed with a friend who is straight and I was in the closet then and I woke up and he was holding me in his arms. awkward...i kind of like it though so i stayed. :dry:
     
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    sometimes I wish i had experienecs like this :dry:
     
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    Experiences like that tend to be pretty damn awakward though, for both parties involved... :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

    As for the OP, I hold by my original advice. He is your friend first and foremost - talk to him about it and see what he wants/is thinking. Don't rush into anything that might ruin your friendship or make things awkward between you.

    Kaleb.
     
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    Oh what a fucking closet case.

    Ok now that I got that out of the way...I see a few options here.

    1.Talk to him/call him out on his actions. Tell him you're down to do something if he's actually interested but if not to cut the bullshit cause it's not fair to you.

    2.Make a move on him. Not recommended even though he's pretty much doing it to you.

    3.Continue doing what your doing and play this ever-lasting game of is he curious or not.

    I'd go with option one. He's your friend first and foremost, and unless you both talk it out and agree that you're down for hooking up without affecting the friendship, don't try getting in his pants.
     
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    Hey guys :slight_smile:

    Thanks for the advice and sorry it's taken so long to write back, been very busy lately.

    I think I've kind of just given up. I've decided to try and take the 'just ignore everything and get on with my life' route. He had a girlfriend for three years, he's slept with like 30 different girls and is always on the hunt for more (even though 90% of them are always girls that'll just sleep with anybody) so I suppose I should just accept the fact either he just likes to confuse me or he is curious and just nothing will ever happen. Annoying, but seems that's the way it's going to be.

    EDIT: I'm not sure if I mentioned earlier, when he asked me to suck him off, there was a bit of alcohol involved.
     
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    BAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Listen to Lex.

    It seems you've made your decision, but honesty and being frank really helps.
     
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    Hey guys, this'll probably be the last update unless anything ever happens, but just saying, we were talking recently and I've decided that yeah he probably is curious or willing to try something. He was saying he'd do anything for money and if I paid him £150 I could have him for an hour lol.

    I'll never pay for sex and that would just be weird... but at least now I know it's possible haha.

    Any tips on how to whittle that price down to 0? :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
  20. Z3ni

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    Yeah alchohol lol